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OT: Life as we know it will end in 2040

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In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth and populated the Earth with broccoli, cauliflower and spinach, green and yellow and red vegetables of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live long and healthy lives. Then using God’s great gifts, Satan created Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream and Krispy Creme Donuts. And Satan said, "You want chocolate with that?" And Man said, "Yes!" and Woman said, "and as long as you’re at it, add some sprinkles." And they gained 10 pounds. And Satan smiled. And God created the healthful yogurt that Woman might keep the figure that Man found so fair. And Satan brought forth white flour from the wheat, and sugar from the cane and combined them. And Woman went from size 6 to size 14. So God said, "Try my fresh green salad." And Satan presented Thousand-Island Dressing, buttery croutons and garlic toast on the side. And Man and Woman unfastened their belts following the repast. God then said, "I have sent you heart healthy vegetables and olive oil in which to cook them." And Satan brought forth deep fried fish and chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own platter. And Man gained more weight and his cholesterol went through the roof. God then created a light, fluffy white cake, named it "Angel Food Cake," and said, "It is good." Satan then created chocolate cake and named it "Devil’s Food." God then brought forth running shoes so that His children might lose those extra pounds. And Satan gave cable TV with a remote control so Man would not have to toil changing the channels. And Man and Woman laughed and cried before the flickering blue light and gained pounds. Then God brought forth the potato, naturally low in fat and brimming with nutrition. And Satan peeled off the healthful skin and sliced the starchy center into chips and deep-fried them. And Man gained pounds. God then gave lean beef so that Man might consume fewer calories and still satisfy his appetite. And Satan created McDonald’s and its 99-cent double cheeseburger. Then said, "You want fries with that?" And Man replied, "Yes! And super size them!" And Satan said, "It is good." And Man went into cardiac arrest. God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery. Then Satan created HMOs. Thought for the day . There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on Alzheimer’s research. This means that by 2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

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did courageously avow: >In the beginning, God …

Stole it and passed it along to some friends. [8-) Ken Wilson

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Nope , just passed it along as I got it. (;>}~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > did courageously avow: >In the beginning, God … > Stole it and passed it along to some friends. [8-) > Ken Wilson

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> In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth

Prove it.

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Don’t have to.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Don’t have to. >> In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth > Prove it.

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>There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on >Alzheimer’s research. This means that by >2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge >erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

I thought the end was suppose to start at 2012 …Armageddon … looks like I have a couple more years now.

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> >> In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth > Prove it. > Don’t have to.

You never prove anything else, so why start?

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did courageously avow: >Nope , just passed it along as I got it. >(;>}~ > did courageously avow: >>In the beginning, God … > Stole it and passed it along to some friends. [8-) > Ken Wilson

No, I meant I did, not you. LOL Ken Wilson

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courageously avow: > >> In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth > > Prove it. > Don’t have to. >You never prove anything else, so why start?

It’s a fucking joke Pix. Try pulling that turpentine rag out of your ass one of these days, you might enjoy life. Ken Wilson

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2012 is when the bonds the U.S. has been floating around the world, come due. Mostly China & Japan. We will not have the money. Wonder what will happen then???? HHHMMMMM.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than >on >Alzheimer’s research. This means that by >2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge >erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them. > I thought the end was suppose to start at 2012 …Armageddon … looks > like I have a couple more years now.

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Now you are being silly, again. Your scientist proved that " this" global warming started 10,000 years ago without the help of mankind. You either believe in a higher power as far as this life goes, or not. Then whatever is fact becomes your truth and proof.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth > > Prove it. > Don’t have to. > You never prove anything else, so why start?

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You sure about the bonds … ? I thought most of that funny paper work and plastic money is just something that really can’t be paid back .. we’re in Trillions of debt now … what me .. worry ? just mine more diamonds and gold… texas gold .. black crude.

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did courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->2012 is when the bonds the U.S. has been floating around the world, come >due. >Mostly China & Japan. >We will not have the money. >Wonder what will happen then???? HHHMMMMM. > >There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than > >on >>Alzheimer’s research. This means that by >>2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge >>erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them. > I thought the end was suppose to start at 2012 …Armageddon … looks > like I have a couple more years now.

The administration will renege, just like they do when NAFTA rulings don’t go their way. Ken Wilson

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth and populated the >Earth with broccoli, cauliflower and spinach, green and yellow and red >vegetables of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live long and healthy lives. >Then using God’s great gifts, Satan created Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream and >Krispy Creme Donuts. And Satan said, "You want chocolate with that?" And Man >said, "Yes!" and Woman said, "and as long as you’re at it, add some >sprinkles." And they gained 10 pounds. And Satan smiled. >And God created the healthful yogurt that Woman might keep the figure that >Man found so fair. And Satan brought forth white flour from the wheat, and >sugar from the cane and combined them. And Woman went from size 6 to size >14. >So God said, "Try my fresh green salad." And Satan presented Thousand-Island >Dressing, buttery croutons and garlic toast on the side. And Man and Woman >unfastened their belts following the repast. >God then said, "I have sent you heart healthy vegetables and olive oil in >which to cook them." And Satan brought forth deep fried fish and >chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own platter. And Man gained more >weight and his cholesterol went through the roof. >God then created a light, fluffy white cake, named it "Angel Food Cake," and >said, "It is good." Satan then created chocolate cake and named it "Devil’s >Food." >God then brought forth running shoes so that His children might lose those >extra pounds. And Satan gave cable TV with a remote control so Man would not >have to toil changing the channels. And Man and Woman laughed and cried >before the flickering blue light and gained pounds. >Then God brought forth the potato, naturally low in fat and brimming with >nutrition. And Satan peeled off the healthful skin and sliced the starchy >center into chips and deep-fried them. And Man gained pounds. >God then gave lean beef so that Man might consume fewer calories and still >satisfy his appetite. And Satan created McDonald’s and its 99-cent double >cheeseburger. Then said, "You want fries with that?" And Man replied, "Yes! >And super size them!" And Satan said, "It is good." And Man went into >cardiac arrest. >God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery. >Then Satan created HMOs. >Thought for the day . >There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on >Alzheimer’s research. This means that by >2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge >erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them.

Don’t worry about it. Some of us already have perky boobs and huge erections without being elderly. The end of the world is already scheduled for December 21st, 2012. Maybe a flood. Maybe a fire. Till then, pig out. Enjoy. Do something nice for/to somebody. Claude

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>> In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth >Prove it.

Why?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > 2012 is when the bonds the U.S. has been floating around the world, come > due. > Mostly China & Japan. > We will not have the money. > Wonder what will happen then???? HHHMMMMM. >>There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than >>on >>Alzheimer’s research. This means that by >>2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge >>erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them. >I thought the end was suppose to start at 2012 …Armageddon … looks >like I have a couple more years now.

Who knows what happens when sigs are stolen?

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> 2012 is when the bonds the U.S. has been floating around the world, come > due. > Mostly China & Japan. > We will not have the money.

And yet you and your ilk continue to support Dubya & Co…

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courageously avow: >> In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth >Prove it. >Why?

It’s spelled ‘posting’, not ‘postung’ dip shit. Use your spell checker. Or are you among those uneducated who by a greater percentage support Bush than do those with a real education? Ken Wilson

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courageously avow: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth and populated the >Earth with broccoli, cauliflower and spinach, green and yellow and red >vegetables of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live long and healthy lives. >Then using God’s great gifts, Satan created Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream and >Krispy Creme Donuts. And Satan said, "You want chocolate with that?" And Man >said, "Yes!" and Woman said, "and as long as you’re at it, add some >sprinkles." And they gained 10 pounds. And Satan smiled. >And God created the healthful yogurt that Woman might keep the figure that >Man found so fair. And Satan brought forth white flour from the wheat, and >sugar from the cane and combined them. And Woman went from size 6 to size >14. >So God said, "Try my fresh green salad." And Satan presented Thousand-Island >Dressing, buttery croutons and garlic toast on the side. And Man and Woman >unfastened their belts following the repast. >God then said, "I have sent you heart healthy vegetables and olive oil in >which to cook them." And Satan brought forth deep fried fish and >chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own platter. And Man gained more >weight and his cholesterol went through the roof. >God then created a light, fluffy white cake, named it "Angel Food Cake," and >said, "It is good." Satan then created chocolate cake and named it "Devil’s >Food." >God then brought forth running shoes so that His children might lose those >extra pounds. And Satan gave cable TV with a remote control so Man would not >have to toil changing the channels. And Man and Woman laughed and cried >before the flickering blue light and gained pounds. >Then God brought forth the potato, naturally low in fat and brimming with >nutrition. And Satan peeled off the healthful skin and sliced the starchy >center into chips and deep-fried them. And Man gained pounds. >God then gave lean beef so that Man might consume fewer calories and still >satisfy his appetite. And Satan created McDonald’s and its 99-cent double >cheeseburger. Then said, "You want fries with that?" And Man replied, "Yes! >And super size them!" And Satan said, "It is good." And Man went into >cardiac arrest. >God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery. >Then Satan created HMOs. >Thought for the day . >There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on >Alzheimer’s research. This means that by >2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge >erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them. >Don’t worry about it. >Some of us already have perky boobs and huge >erections without being elderly.

You have both conditions I assume. Ken Wilson

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dolt.princess Kenni, spokesloon for the Al-Queef brigade of the People’s Liberation Jihad for the Independence of the Democratic People’s Republic a type and shit himself with glee: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >courageously avow: >>> In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth >>Prove it. >Why? >It’s spelled ‘posting’, not ‘postung’ dip shit. Use your spell >checker. Or are you among those uneducated who by a greater >percentage support Bush than do those with a real education?

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dolt.princess Kenni, spokesloon for the Al-Queef brigade of the People’s Liberation Jihad for the Independence of the Democratic People’s Republic – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >courageously avow: >>In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth and populated the >>Earth with broccoli, cauliflower and spinach, green and yellow and red >>vegetables of all kinds, so Man and Woman would live long and healthy lives. >>Then using God’s great gifts, Satan created Ben and Jerry’s Ice Cream and >>Krispy Creme Donuts. And Satan said, "You want chocolate with that?" And Man >>said, "Yes!" and Woman said, "and as long as you’re at it, add some >>sprinkles." And they gained 10 pounds. And Satan smiled. >>And God created the healthful yogurt that Woman might keep the figure that >>Man found so fair. And Satan brought forth white flour from the wheat, and >>sugar from the cane and combined them. And Woman went from size 6 to size >>14. >>So God said, "Try my fresh green salad." And Satan presented Thousand-Island >>Dressing, buttery croutons and garlic toast on the side. And Man and Woman >>unfastened their belts following the repast. >>God then said, "I have sent you heart healthy vegetables and olive oil in >>which to cook them." And Satan brought forth deep fried fish and >>chicken-fried steak so big it needed its own platter. And Man gained more >>weight and his cholesterol went through the roof. >>God then created a light, fluffy white cake, named it "Angel Food Cake," and >>said, "It is good." Satan then created chocolate cake and named it "Devil’s >>Food." >>God then brought forth running shoes so that His children might lose those >>extra pounds. And Satan gave cable TV with a remote control so Man would not >>have to toil changing the channels. And Man and Woman laughed and cried >>before the flickering blue light and gained pounds. >>Then God brought forth the potato, naturally low in fat and brimming with >>nutrition. And Satan peeled off the healthful skin and sliced the starchy >>center into chips and deep-fried them. And Man gained pounds. >>God then gave lean beef so that Man might consume fewer calories and still >>satisfy his appetite. And Satan created McDonald’s and its 99-cent double >>cheeseburger. Then said, "You want fries with that?" And Man replied, "Yes! >>And super size them!" And Satan said, "It is good." And Man went into >>cardiac arrest. >>God sighed and created quadruple bypass surgery. >>Then Satan created HMOs. >>Thought for the day . >>There is more money being spent on breast implants and Viagra today than on >>Alzheimer’s research. This means that by >>2040, there should be a large elderly population with perky boobs and huge >>erections and absolutely no recollection of what to do with them. >Don’t worry about it. >Some of us already have perky boobs and huge >erections without being elderly. >You have both conditions I assume.

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Yep, we floated all that paper & are about to float some more.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You sure about the bonds … ? > I thought most of that funny paper > work and plastic money is just something > that really can’t be paid back .. we’re in Trillions > of debt now … what me .. worry ? just mine more > diamonds and gold… texas gold .. black crude.

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Statin Drugs & The Cholesterol Myth

admin — Sat, 24 Dec 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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This is the "Cholesterol Myth." by Alan Graham Alan D. Graham Phone (334) 774-0395 http://www.alienview.net/ALLT1.html Because doctors and the pharmaceutical industry are in the "sickness" (…NOT wellness!) business, they make more money not properly diagnosing your medical problems, so you will stay sick and develop other ailments (…like heart disease?). Then, reader, they can put you on cholesterol lowering drugs for the rest of your increasingly miserable life! Is your medicine man also your mortician? Does he own a drug store? HOW TO STOP YOUR DOCTOR KILLING YOU The person most likely to kill you is your doctor.’ … In this brand new edition of How To Stop Your Doctor Killing You, you’ll discover many truths about … http://www.vernoncoleman.com/htsydky.htm Gangsters In Medicine a time, these changes actually improved the practice of medicine in the United … http://www.rense.com/general33/gang.htm Pharmaceutical Companies Pfizer, the world’s largest drug company, made a profit of $11.3 billion last year … corporations to buy the politicians who are supposed to represent us? … http://www.independent-media.tv/gtheme.cfm?ftheme_id=98 Isn’t it obvious that taking a harmful drug like Lipitor, or other statin drug, to lower cholesterol is a silly and dangerous approach. Statin drugs are dangerous poisons that cause liver damage, peripheral neuropathy, muscle degeneration, and everybody’s favorite… erectile dysfunction! This is particularly disconcerting when you consider statins are completely unnecessary. Wouldn’t it make more sense to alleviate the two components that cause the build-up in the first place? Inflammation and platelet stickiness! That Persistent Muscle Pain May Be Drug Induced Patient complaints of nonspecific muscle pain; tenderness; weakness; joint pains; … Multiple drug therapy, along with the statins, increases the danger. … http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/21/05/12.html The Dangers of Statin Drugs: What You Haven’t Been Told About …. By the way, other cholesterol-lowering agents besides statin drugs can cause joint pain and muscle weakness. A report in Southern Medical Journal described … http://www.mercola.com/2004/jul/21/statin_drugs.htm Bad News About Statin Drugs – Share The Wealth I have been on and off statin drugs for about 10 years now. I am getting real concerned about the pain and muscle problems. I had quad. bypass 2 years ago … http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/1 … ad_news_about_statin_drugs.htm Lipitor – Vioxx: Discovering The Statin – Painkiller Chain … Statin drugs cause muscle damage. Soreness and pain are extremely widespread. You can get an idea of just how how widespread this side effect apparently is … http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/12 … _painkiller_chain_reaction.htm To that end, here is what you should do to be able to show a dramatic improvement in your lipid profile — while eating six eggs a day scrambled in real butter without talking pharmaceutical poisons! Stop all sugar and refined flour (80% of the cholesterol your body manufactures comes from carbs, not eggs and fat!) Never consume trans fat from HVO found in margarine, vegetable shortening, etc. Only use mono-unsat oils like Olive and macadamia nut oil, or the magical medium chain triglyceride (MCT) non hydrogenated, unrefined coconut oil. Avoid all poly-unsat food oils like corn, safflower, cottonseed, etc. Read "Fat Fact’s" (http://www.alienview.net/xzfat.html) to understand why the so-called mono-unsat canola oil is also in the avoid column! Consume both plant and animal derived Omega three in the form of freshly ground flax seed (http://www.alienview.net/xfs.html) and fish oil capsules (cold water fish have too much lead and mercury). Omega three from fish oil is mother nature’s most powerful nutrient for reducing inflammation, platelet stickiness, blood pressure and allergic reactions. Take a good multivitamin/mineral to insure you are getting folic acid, B6, and B12 to reduce homocysteine (a future news letter will explain why Grocery store vitamins like Centrum are a waste of money but if you can’t wait, call me, Theresa, or Angela (334) 308-1209). Stop ALL carbonated drinks. They leach minerals from your bones and destroy valuable stomach acid, thus, adversely effecting digestion. Drink iced tea sweetened with stevia or a distant second sucralose. Both green and black tea are good for diabetes, osteoporosis, and are high in antioxidants. E-MAIL TO FRIENDS & CONGRESSMAN / WOMAN

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Warning. A book huckster is trying to sell his book! Let him pay for advertising like more honest hucksters do.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This is the "Cholesterol Myth." > by Alan Graham > Alan D. Graham > Phone (334) 774-0395 > http://www.alienview.net/ALLT1.html > Because doctors and the pharmaceutical industry are in the "sickness" > (…NOT wellness!) business, they make more money not properly > diagnosing your medical problems, so you will stay sick and develop > other ailments (…like heart disease?). Then, reader, they can put you > on cholesterol lowering drugs for the rest of your increasingly > miserable life! > Is your medicine man also your mortician? > Does he own a drug store? > HOW TO STOP YOUR DOCTOR KILLING YOU > The person most likely to kill you is your doctor.’ … In this brand > new edition of How To Stop Your Doctor Killing You, you’ll discover > many truths about … > http://www.vernoncoleman.com/htsydky.htm > Gangsters In Medicine > a time, these changes actually improved the practice of medicine in the > United … > http://www.rense.com/general33/gang.htm > Pharmaceutical Companies > Pfizer, the world’s largest drug company, made a profit of $11.3 > billion last year … corporations to buy the politicians who are > supposed to represent us? … > http://www.independent-media.tv/gtheme.cfm?ftheme_id=98 > Isn’t it obvious that taking a harmful drug like Lipitor, or other > statin drug, to lower cholesterol is a silly and dangerous approach. > Statin drugs are dangerous poisons that cause liver damage, peripheral > neuropathy, muscle degeneration, and everybody’s favorite… erectile > dysfunction! This is particularly disconcerting when you consider > statins are completely unnecessary. Wouldn’t it make more sense to > alleviate the two components that cause the build-up in the first > place? Inflammation and platelet stickiness! > That Persistent Muscle Pain May Be Drug Induced > Patient complaints of nonspecific muscle pain; tenderness; weakness; > joint pains; … Multiple drug therapy, along with the statins, > increases the danger. … > http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/21/05/12.html > The Dangers of Statin Drugs: What You Haven’t Been Told About …. > By the way, other cholesterol-lowering agents besides statin drugs can > cause joint pain and muscle weakness. A report in Southern Medical > Journal described … > http://www.mercola.com/2004/jul/21/statin_drugs.htm > Bad News About Statin Drugs – Share The Wealth > I have been on and off statin drugs for about 10 years now. I am > getting real concerned about the pain and muscle problems. I had quad. > bypass 2 years ago … > http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/1 … > ad_news_about_statin_drugs.htm > Lipitor – Vioxx: Discovering The Statin – Painkiller Chain … > Statin drugs cause muscle damage. Soreness and pain are extremely > widespread. You can get an idea of just how how widespread this side > effect apparently is … > http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/12 … > _painkiller_chain_reaction.htm > To that end, here is what you should do to be able to show a dramatic > improvement in your lipid profile — while eating six eggs a day > scrambled in real butter without talking pharmaceutical poisons! > Stop all sugar and refined flour (80% of the cholesterol your body > manufactures comes from carbs, not eggs and fat!) > Never consume trans fat from HVO found in margarine, vegetable > shortening, etc. > Only use mono-unsat oils like Olive and macadamia nut oil, or the > magical medium chain triglyceride (MCT) non hydrogenated, unrefined > coconut oil. Avoid all poly-unsat food oils like corn, safflower, > cottonseed, etc. Read "Fat Fact’s" > (http://www.alienview.net/xzfat.html) to understand why the so-called > mono-unsat canola oil is also in the avoid column! > Consume both plant and animal derived Omega three in the form of > freshly ground flax seed (http://www.alienview.net/xfs.html) and fish > oil capsules (cold water fish have too much lead and mercury). Omega > three from fish oil is mother nature’s most powerful nutrient for > reducing inflammation, platelet stickiness, blood pressure and allergic > reactions. > Take a good multivitamin/mineral to insure you are getting folic acid, > B6, and B12 to reduce homocysteine (a future news letter will explain > why Grocery store vitamins like Centrum are a waste of money but if you > can’t wait, call me, Theresa, or Angela (334) 308-1209). > Stop ALL carbonated drinks. They leach minerals from your bones and > destroy valuable stomach acid, thus, adversely effecting digestion. > Drink iced tea sweetened with stevia or a distant second sucralose. > Both green and black tea are good for diabetes, osteoporosis, and are > high in antioxidants. > E-MAIL TO FRIENDS & CONGRESSMAN / WOMAN

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> Warning. A book huckster is trying to sell his book! > Let him pay for advertising like more honest hucksters do.

And I thought SPAM was suposed to be bad for your health. According to this it seems to lower your chloresterol. Dave

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Special Report Drug Lobby Second to None How the pharmaceutical industry gets its way in Washington By M. Asif Ismail WASHINGTON, July 7, 2005

Dominica

admin — Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Hello, whoat kind of electricity plug is used on Dominica. Is this the American plug? Thank you regards: Kees Neve — | Kees Neve | Weather site: | www.euronet.nl/users/kneve

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Yes, adfars i know the resort we stayed at had all american plugs. you should call first

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>whoat kind of electricity plug is used on Dominica.

This is a good source for questions like that: http://kropla.com/electric2.htm Don (e-mail link at home page bottom).

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So now we’re traveling to Dominica (and not St. Thomas) in early June. Any suggestions of where to stay, eat, etc.? Any good vegetarian-friendly restaurants? Lastly, I know that you can easily island-hop to Martinique and Guadalupe. Any other convenient options? Thanks! — Rubies Rubies’s Profile: 224 View this thread: 74341

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>So now we’re traveling to Dominica (and not St. Thomas) in early June. >Any suggestions of where to stay,

What do you want to spend? The island has a full price range. Do you want to be in the rain forest or in town? > eat, etc.?

That is something I don’t worry about until I get to the island. Then you can discuss this with locals and other travelers where you are staying. And of course where you are staying has some bearing on this. > Any good >vegetarian-friendly restaurants?

Ha! >Lastly, I know that you can easily >island-hop to Martinique and Guadalupe. Any other convenient options?

I wouldn’t exactly call it easy to island-hop to Martinique and Guadalupe. It is a time consuming rough ferry ride. Though if you can get a flight from Canefield Airport an island-hop could be easy. Don .

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>So now we’re traveling to Dominica (and not St. Thomas) in early June. >Any suggestions of where to stay, eat, etc.? Any good >vegetarian-friendly restaurants? Lastly, I know that you can easily >island-hop to Martinique and Guadalupe. Any other convenient options? >Thanks!

In Roseau, try the Evergreen just south in Castle Comfort. Within easy driving distance of Champagne, Scott’s Head, Layou River, Morne Trois Pitons, Emerald Pool, etc. In Portsmouth, try Picard Beach Cottages. Take a trip up the Indian River and visit the fort. Dominica is beautiful.

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Rubies schrieb: > So now we’re traveling to Dominica (and not St. Thomas) in early June. > Any suggestions of where to stay, eat, etc.? Any good > vegetarian-friendly restaurants? Lastly, I know that you can easily > island-hop to Martinique and Guadalupe. Any other convenient options? > Thanks! > Rubies

If you like hiking stay in Laudat (Roxy’s Mountain Lodge): Tour to Boiling Lake Middleham Falls Titou Gorge Freshwater Lake Boeri Lake Not too far from here: Wotten Waven Trafalgar Falls I have not seen any other tourist at the northern tip of the island. If you like normal places without any touristic aspects: Stay in Portsmouth, visit from here places like Capucin or hidden villages on the northern peninsula, which are not mentioned on the map. Regards, Achim — Photos: Dominica: http://www.alewand.de/fotos/dominica/index.html Boiling Lake: http://www.alewand.de/fotos/boiling/index.html Guadeloupe: http://www.alewand.de/fotos/guadeloupe/index.html

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>>So now we’re traveling to Dominica (and not St. Thomas) in early June. >Any suggestions of where to stay, … > Any good vegetarian-friendly restaurants? >Ha!

Actually there were a couple of veggie restaurants in Roseau when we were there, though that’s a few years ago now. They were a few streets back from the waterfront, one nearer the hotel in the fort on the s/w corner of town, and one in a characterful upstairs of a bldg in town. [As I said before, the one nearer the fort-hotel didn't heat their food enough...I suppose the person did ask "good"] — Ken Tough

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If you’re planning to stay in Dominica for a while, a good place to check out is Papillote. It’s a small resot,r up in the rain forest mountains, about four miles from Roseau. The food is great, you can do the tours from there, and they have wonderful gardens and a hot mineral pool which, complete with island rum punch, provides a cushy end-of-day exp[erience. Happy trip! Stephanie C.

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My fiancee and I are looking into taking part of our honeymoon in April 1996 in Dominica. We want a combination of serene surroundings, snorkeling, hiking, nice beaches, good food and NOT tourist-like! Let me know if anyone has any info! - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text ->If you're planning to stay in Dominica for a while, a good place to check >out is Papillote. It's a small resot,r up in the rain forest mountains, >about four miles from Roseau. The food is great, you can do the tours >from there, and they have wonderful gardens and a hot mineral pool which, >complete with island rum punch, provides a cushy end-of-day exp[erience. >Happy trip! >Stephanie C.

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>My fiancee and I are looking into taking part of our honeymoon in April >1996 in Dominica. We want a combination of serene surroundings, >snorkeling, hiking, nice beaches, good food and NOT tourist-like! Let >me know if anyone has any info! We have read alittle on Dominica and

Martinique. They seem to match what we are looking for. Any ideas? Recommendations? Other islands? Thanks in advance!!!!

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I'm on a cruise next week that stops in St. Kitts, Barbados (Bridgetown), Dominica, Tortola, and Nassau. I'd like to hear some steel drums and other sexy loud music. Anybody got any suggestions? Thanks.

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We are thinking of going to the island of Dominica. Has anybody been there? We are interested in the Sea Cliff Cottages. It all sounds beautiful. Any help on must see and do wouhelp very much. Thanks Cindy

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I was in Dominica for a week, the last week in February. I enjoyed it very much. I don't know anything about Sea Cliff Cottages, I stayed at Castle Comfort Lodge because I was diving. I did go on a couple of hikes. One to Trafalgar Falls and one to Boiling Lake. Trafalgar Falls is a very easy hike and is fun. Boiling Lake is a strenuous all day hike. I thought it was worth the trip, but be prepared to be very tired when you finish. I also went on a whale watching trip in two of the afternoons. The first time we saw nothing. They gave me a discount if I wanted to go again. The next trip was incredible. We saw a mother and her calf and got within 30 feet of them. We also saw a 50 foot male breach 5 times. I used KHATTs for the hikes. Coy

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>We are thinking of going to the island of Dominica. Has anybody been there? >We are interested in the Sea Cliff Cottages. It all sounds beautiful. Any >help on must see and do wouhelp very much. Thanks Cindy

Dominica is one of the most beautiful islands in the Caribbean. Don't expect a lot of glitz though. It is pretty "basic". Not many beaches either. What they do have is virgin rain forest, boiling lakes, hot and cold twin waterfalls and great people. I don't know anything about Sea Cliff Cottages. Hope this helps. Steve

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There is a really great web site that you MUST check out first: http://caribbeansupersite.com/dominica/beaches.htm Hope this helps - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > We are thinking of going to the island of Dominica. Has anybody been there? > We are interested in the Sea Cliff Cottages. It all sounds beautiful. Any > help on must see and do wouhelp very much. Thanks Cindy

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Cindy, We went there in Mar 97. We stayed near the south end of the island in Soufriere. We went there primarily to dive but did several other activities as well. Highlights: Boiling Lake hike (strenuous but fun, after the hike, swim up Titou Gorge to the waterfall) Trafalgar Falls (easy hike but very pretty) Mountain Biking Diving was very good - not lots of large fish but very healthy reefs One group (not us saw a whale shark during their diving. If you are into diving and want to get away from the "crowds", I would recommend Nature Island Dive in Soufriere. We did some bike trips, hiking and sea kayaking through them. Their web address is http://www.natureislanddive.dm/. We were the first ones in the lower level of the cottage that is pictured on their home page (with the kayaker in front). Obviously, they have closed in the lower level. In fact, we think (but we're not sure) that we are the one's pictured on this link http://www.natureislanddive.dm/accomodation.html. I was going to recommend Petit Coulibri Cottages for a romantic getaway (we rode our bikes up there, it is unbelievably beautiful). Unfortunately, I just checked their web page http://www.delphis.dm/petit.htm and they are closed until Feb 2000. Don't expect white sand beaches (at least not where we went). It's a young volcanic island so all the "beach sand" is rocks about the size of your fist. I heard rumors of a sand beach north of Roseau (the main town) but we never went. (I'm teasing but white sand beaches are not the draw). There also isn't a whole lot of flat area anywhere on the island (makes it kind of tough to build an airport). We were eating at the Seabird Cafe (right across from the cottage) and some long-term residents stopped in for a meal. We started talking to them and the wife said she liked to come to this part of Dominica because the road is level for several miles (I think they were originally from India). I would recommend Ken's Hinterland Tours http://www.khatts.dm/ for arranging trips to mountainous destinations. Driving a car on the mountain roads can best be described as terrifying (at least to a flatlander like myself). You drive on the left and almost every turn is blind so the locals honk their horn as they go around the turn. They are associated with Dive Dominica in Roseau (which comes highly recommended by a friend of mine). Their URL is http://www.divedominica.com/webpages/divefr.htm The locals are very engaging. I enjoyed walking down to Scott's Head (south end of the island) each evening for dinner and just hanging out with the locals. There was usually a street game of Dominoes going on (which got pretty vocal). I had a great time. I can't wait to go back but this years vacation dollars are already committed to Oz. Erik Turner Melbourne, FL Remove spamless to email - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - >We are thinking of going to the island of Dominica. Has anybody been there? >We are interested in the Sea Cliff Cottages. It all sounds beautiful. Any >help on must see and do wouhelp very much. Thanks Cindy

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Dominica is an extraordinary island. One of the primary tourist activities is hiking. Actually, it does not offer hiking so much as it offers HIKING. We took what was touted by some books as a "pleasant rainforest walk" to Middleham Falls. We are in reasonably good shape (for fifty-somethings) but the 4 hours up and down ravines over slippery railway ties was, shall we say, challenging. At the end was both a gorgeous waterfall and the prospect of 4 hours BACK over the same ravines. If you like that (and I'll bet that all real hikers would), Dominica will offer you all that you want in the way of hiking. We were glad that we had done it even though it damn near killed us. Dominica is unique among the islands in having huge mountains and rushing rivers. It also has lovely people. Part of our trip we stayed on the coast a few miles from the main town. It was a delight to ride the vans that served as buses between our hotel and the town. The people were always friendly and we felt that we were visitors rather than tourists. The Saturday food market was one of the best that we have seen in the Caribbean. And the mangoes were absolutely the best. As I said, we stayed about 4 days on the coast. Our small hotel (the Evergreen) was lovely, but there was not a sand beach. Rather there was a beach made of stones. We are avid snorkelers. The snorkeling off the stone beach was enough to amuse us for a half hour or so on a couple of afternoons. The food in Dominica was what you should be able to get in the Caribbean but rarely do - many locally grown fruits and vegetables. It was not fancy, but it was real, and it was good. On most other islands, you are more likely to get food from Miami. Our non-coast locale was Papillotte which bills itself as a rainforest retreat. If you go there, ask for the "cabin". We found three or four days there and about the same at Evergreen to be a good combination. Costs for both food and lodging were moderate throughout Dominica. Papillote was an extraordinary place to stay. Our room was in a separate small building away from the main lodge. You reached it by wandering through a lushly planted area and past a creek and waterfall - that's right, a beautiful little 30 foot or so waterfall. The room was not at all fancy, but the feeling of being a part of the rainforest was something that I think anyone would enjoy for at least a few days and perhaps for much longer. The gorgeous Trafalgar waterfalls are a very easy 20 minute walk from the hotel. The food at the hotel was very good, and there is also a good, small restaurant a few hundred yards down the road. Our hotel on the coast was the Evergreen. It is a small hotel with very attractively decorated rooms and a very good restaurant. It has a small pool if you prefer that to the rock "beach" that I mentioned above. The location was good. The "busses" run frequently and cost only $1 to get to town. You can also take the bus the other direction to Soufriere where there is a good dive operation. There is also a very well thought of dive operator right next door to the Evergreen. We chose the one at Soufriere because it was closer to the area where we had heard there was good snorkeling. The snorkeling was OK (not great), but the whole experience of being in the very quiet town of Soufriere, drinking a fresh coconut that we bought from a man who had just cut it from a palm on the beach, and being with the very friendly dive shop folks made for a very enjoyable day. We spent another day on an excursion to Portsmouth, the town on the northwest coast. The bus ride there took about 1 hour from Roseau (the main town) and cost only $7 - a great bargain. The ride was beautiful as we went along the coast. At one stop some kids came running over to sell bunches of kinips, a small green fruit, tart but delicious. The main attraction in Porstmouth is a rowboat ride up the Indian River. This is about the most touristy thing that you can do on Dominica, and even it is in tune with nature. Just make sure you get a boat that does not use a motor. Just a note about the other most touristy thing: Our greatest disappointment was visiting the famous Emerald Pool when a tour group was there. We were on an around-the-island excursion with a woman from Ken's Hinterland Tours, but we got to the Emerald Pool at the same time as a group from one of the few cruise ships that stops at Dominica. I could see how the pool could be a wonderful place to be if you were there alone, but seeing it as part of a large group was far worse than not having seen it at all - kind of like getting to the Sistine Chapel on the day of a rock concert. > We are thinking of going to the island of Dominica. Has anybody been there? > We are interested in the Sea Cliff Cottages. It all sounds beautiful. Any > help on must see and do wouhelp very much. Thanks Cindy

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Cindy, We were there about four years ago and we are returning there this winter. Our first trip we stayed at Papillote so we could see the rain forest...and we made daily forays from there. Tried the Boiling Lake hike (the younger daughter and I stopped at the halfway mark, my husband and older daughter made it to the very last leg - according to our guide another 15 minutes down - but felt they couldn't make it all the way back without exhaustion setting in! It was all a question of timing and we began too late in the day), looked at sulfur springs, drove to the fort and the Carib reserve, took in the trail at Syndicate and the botanical gardens and museum. This time we are staying at the Evergreen since the kids took up diving. It is the friendliest island, very beautiful but not glitzy or built up at all. If you enjoy nature, it is the place to visit! Melanie - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - >We are thinking of going to the island of Dominica. Has anybody been there? >We are interested in the Sea Cliff Cottages. It all sounds beautiful. Any >help on must see and do wouhelp very much. Thanks Cindy

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We, a family of three, were at Sea Cliff Cottages in April for over two weeks. It is among the nicest places we have ever been to, and we have much to compare it with. Some qualifications tho. There is no perfect place on this planet. Dominica is poor and if you cannot handle some elements of the third world, don't go there. In particular, we have met some US Americans who hated Dominica since it is undeveloped and has few of the creature comforts that resort islands usually offer. Also, we have met some Americans who liked Dominica but felt lonely because most people on Dominica are either locals, Canadians or Europeans. All the best, Martin - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > We are thinking of going to the island of Dominica. Has anybody been there? > We are interested in the Sea Cliff Cottages. It all sounds beautiful. Any > help on must see and do wouhelp very much. Thanks Cindy

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Dumb question: Where in the carribean is Dominica? Not on my map...

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Between Guadaloupe & Martinique. No problem mon. - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > Dumb question: Where in the carribean is Dominica? > Not on my map...

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> Dumb question: Where in the carribean is Dominica? > Not on my map...

In the eastern part of the Caribbean between Guadeloupe, which is to the north, and Martinique, which is to the south. Regarding pronounciation, the locals say "dom in ee ka." Hope this helps. Ernie Carnicelli

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> Dumb question: Where in the carribean is Dominica? > Not on my map...

You can see Dominica in relation to the other islands on this page... http://www.caribguide.com/articles/rightislandforyou.html Hope this helps! Kent CaribGuide ~ 5104 Saddleridge Cove ~ Austin, Texas 78759 Office: 512.342.0170 ~ Mobile: 512.626.3914 ~ Fax: 512.342.0890

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My family and I are going to be joining a family reunion aboard Carnival's 'Fascination'. I have noticed that one of the stops is the island of Dominica. I am not very familiar with this island. Can anyone direct to websites/books that would give me some detailed tourist information. Thanks, Tre'

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The official web site of Dominica is http://www.dominica.dm. I took the same cruise and was so taken with the island that I went back for a week this spring. Bill Barner - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - > My family and I are going to be joining a family reunion aboard Carnival's > 'Fascination'. I have noticed that one of the stops is the island of > Dominica. I am not very familiar with this island. Can anyone direct to > websites/books that would give me some detailed tourist information. > Thanks, > Tre'

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Dominica is one of the most beautiful islands of the Caribbean. I doubt that your cruise will allow you the time to enjoy its beauty. If nothing else go to Trafalger Falls, take hiking shoes and swim wear. steve - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text ->My family and I are going to be joining a family reunion aboard Carnival's >'Fascination'. I have noticed that one of the stops is the island of >Dominica. I am not very familiar with this island. Can anyone direct to >websites/books that would give me some detailed tourist information. >Thanks, >Tre'

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If you can take only one day trip, I would suggest Titou Gorge (almost cave swimming) or Emerald Pool (sometimes very congested with turista, but beautiful nonetheless). - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - >Dominica is one of the most beautiful islands of the Caribbean. I >doubt that your cruise will allow you the time to enjoy its beauty. >If nothing else go to Trafalger Falls, take hiking shoes and swim >wear. >steve >My family and I are going to be joining a family reunion aboard Carnival's >'Fascination'. I have noticed that one of the stops is the island of >Dominica. I am not very familiar with this island. Can anyone direct to >websites/books that would give me some detailed tourist information. >Thanks, >Tre'

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>My family and I are going to be joining a family reunion aboard Carnival's >'Fascination'. I have noticed that one of the stops is the island of >Dominica. I am not very familiar with this island. Can anyone direct to >websites/books that would give me some detailed tourist information. >Thanks, >Tre'

If you are coming off the ship, you will see a few trinkets at the pier and you will have enough time to see one or maybe two natural things like the Emerald Pool. Don't try to bargain with the cabbies. The rates are set by the government. If you dock at Roseau (pronounced Rose-OH), try to see Trafalgar Falls and visit the Ft. Young Hotel for the dance show and lunch. The hotel is to the right of the pier and easy to see. If you get stuck at Portsmouth there are a few old forts to see and not much else other than maybe a trip up the Layou River in a canoe. DO NOT go wandering without a guide/driver in the Portsmouth area. There are some legitimate guides for the river tour, but check it out on the Dominica website first. It is a pretty country. David Ladewig www.cometravelwithme.com

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>My family and I are going to be joining a family reunion aboard Carnival’s >’Fascination’. I have noticed that one of the stops is the island of >Dominica. I am not very familiar with this island. Can anyone direct to >websites/books that would give me some detailed tourist information.

The "Footprint Handbooks" guide has good info on Dominica, also see www.footprint-handbooks.co.uk. As someone mentioned, a cruise stop won’t give you much time. It’s bigger & more mountainous than you might imagine, so you’ll probably have to choose one sight/location to visit. I don’t know that ship, but some cruises also dock in the north, near Portsmouth (is it?) If that’s the case, a rowed boat trip up the Indian River is beautiful. In Roseau, a quick trip to Trafalgar Falls or the Emerald Pool will be memorable. cheers — Ken Tough Montserrat

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Anyone been to Dominica?

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We were there several years ago. It is mostly rain forest and beautiful beyond belief. Watch your wallet, however. There is a problem with petty theft. AMG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Anyone been to Dominica?

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Dominica is lovely- very mountainous green island, and the capital Roseau is actually better than most in the Caribbean, at least near the waterfront. Our cruise director said they’d some problems with petty theft and questionable pricing on cabs, so we took organized tours only- however some others on our ship hired cabs on their own and reported no difficulty. We saw Emerald Pool and Trafalgar Falls- I thought both were nice but really enjoyed just driving through the mountain scenery. If you’re going for a longer period, I hear the northern area is really lovely. Sorry, no personal information on where to stay or eat. I have posted a few pictures of Dominica on my home page at http://home.neo.lrun.com/jechase/ There are also lovely pictures and quite a bit of detail at Dominica Online at http://www.delphis.dm/home.html

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Dominica is an ecotourism island. The interior is just beyond words. Imagine swimming under a waterfall or in a river. If you are on the sea, you will have some black sand beaches. The water is crystal clear and the snorkeling superb. Try whale watching, thats a treat. There are many hotels on this lovely island. It all depends on what you are looking for.

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My wife and I are considering a ‘nature oriented’ trip to Dominica this fall. We are much more likely to enjoy a good hike than a day lying on the beach. Does anyone have any insight or info to share about a vacation there, especially places to stay and people or companies to deal with. Also how good is the hiking/ how accessable are the trails, and how about guides? Thanks for any info. Darryl

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Here are the best five hikes in Dominica:Emerald Pool,Trafalgar Falls, Titou Gorge, Freshwater lake, boiling lake and sulphur springs would also be a good experience, all in Dominica.Serge – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I are considering a ‘nature oriented’ trip to Dominica this > fall. We are much more likely to enjoy a good hike than a day lying on > the beach. Does anyone have any insight or info to share about a > vacation there, especially places to stay and people or companies to > deal with. Also how good is the hiking/ how accessable are the trails, > and how about guides? Thanks for any info. > Darryl

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> Here are the best five hikes in Dominica:Emerald Pool,Trafalgar Falls, > Titou Gorge, Freshwater lake, boiling lake and sulphur springs would > also be a good experience, all in Dominica.Serge

For serious hikers, Emerald Pool, Trafalgar falls and sulphur springs could hardly be called hikes, and they also bear the brunt of the cruise ship tourism. If going to freshwater Lake, don’t miss out on teh Boeri Lake trail, along which you can get some great views and experience real montane forest: it can be muddy/slippery/wet. The boiling lake is also worth doing and the trail is well marked. Ditto as Boeri Lake but much longer: the valley of desolation and the lake itself are worth seeing. The most difficult and challenging hike on the island is defnitely Morne Diablotin, a 3000 foot climb through rainforest through cloud forest into elfin woodland, with chances of seeing rare parrots and hummingbirds and stunning views. Not in my opinion worth doing unless you have some chance of seeing something at the top! The first bit is incredibly steep and then by the end the canopy is so lwo that you have to scramble under, through and over it. A total body workout that will test your fitness! But a truly memorable, amazing experience. All these tracks are well marked enough to be followed without a guide, although officailly a guide is strongly recommended for the latter two. They can be expensive e.g. I was quoted 120 USD for the latter. A good company is Kens Hinterland adventure tours (although I’ve never used the services of a tour company myself). I hope you enjoy it, its a wonderful place. Anita Malhotra – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My wife and I are considering a ‘nature oriented’ trip to Dominica this > fall. We are much more likely to enjoy a good hike than a day lying on > the beach. Does anyone have any insight or info to share about a > vacation there, especially places to stay and people or companies to > deal with. Also how good is the hiking/ how accessable are the trails, > and how about guides? Thanks for any info. > Darryl

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Does anyone have any information on this island? What’s the climate like, any good beaches, snorkeling, places to stay, interesting sites, etc.? Thanks.

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> Does anyone have any information on this island? What’s the > climate like,

70s to 90s year-round. > any good beaches,

Two nice ones in Cabrits National Park. >snorkeling,

Soufriere Pinnacle, Coral Gardens, Scotts Head Drop-Off, and Canefield Barge are the most popular. >interesting sites, etc.?

Dominica is renowned for its natural beauty. If you’re a nature lover, it won’t disappoint you. Some of the favorite spots for visitors include Morne Trois Pitons National Park, Cabrits National Park, Trafalgar Falls, Emerald Pool, Boeri Lake, Boiling Lake, and Fort Shirley. Take your camera and lots of film. >places to stay,

For accommodations and additional info about Dominica, check out these Web sites… http://www.arawaks.com http://www.delphis.dm/home.htm http://gocaribbean.miningco.com Hope this helps! Kent "CARIBBEAN FOR VISITORS"… Your virtual ticket to paradise! FREE NEWSLETTER * WEEKLY ARTICLES * HUNDREDS OF LINKS * MUCH MORE Brought to you by THE MINING COMPANY and your guide, KENT HUFFMAN

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Here is a post that I made a while ago. I hope that it is useful. Dominica is an extraordinary island. It is unlike most other Caribbean islands in that it has huge mountains and rushing rivers but no white sand beaches. It does have some black sand beaches, but beach lounging is not what draws people to Dominica. One of the main things that does is hiking. Actually, it does not offer hiking so much as it offers HIKING. We took what was touted by some books as a "pleasant rainforest walk" to Middleham Falls. We are in reasonably good shape (for fifty-somethings) but the 4 hours up and down ravines over slippery railway ties was, shall we say, challenging. At the end was both a gorgeous waterfall and the prospect of 4 hours BACK over the same ravines. If you like that (and I’ll bet that all real hikers would), Dominica will offer you all that you want in the way of hiking. It also has lovely people. Part of our trip we stayed on the coast a few miles from the main town. It was a delight to ride the vans that served as buses between our hotel and the town. The people were always friendly and we felt that we were visitors rather than tourists. The Saturday food market was one of the best that we have seen in the Caribbean. As I said, we stayed about 4 days on the coast. Our small hotel (the Evergreen) was lovely, but there was not a sand beach. Rather there was a beach made of stones. We are avid snorkelers. The snorkeling off the stone beach was enough to amuse us for a half hour or so on a couple of afternoons. The food in Dominica was what you should be able to get in the Caribbean but rarely do – many locally grown fruits and vegetables. It was not fancy, but it was real, and it was good. On most other islands, you are more likely to get food from Miami. Our non-coast locale was Papillotte which bills itself as a rainforest retreat. If you go there, ask for the "cabin". We found three or four days there and about the same at Evergreen to be a good combination. Costs for both food and lodging were moderate throughout Dominica. Papillote was an extraordinary place to stay. Our room was in a separate small building away from the main lodge. You reached it by wandering through a lushly planted area and past a creek and waterfall – that’s right, a beautiful little 30 foot or so waterfall. The room was not at all fancy, but the feeling of being a part of the rainforest was something that I think anyone would enjoy for at least a few days and perhaps for much longer. The gorgeous Trafalgar waterfalls are a very easy 20 minute walk from the hotel. The food at the hotel was very good, and there is also a good, small restaurant a few hundred yards down the road. Our hotel on the coast was the Evergreen. It is a small hotel with very attractively decorated rooms and a very good restaurant. It has a small pool if you prefer that to the rock "beach" that I mentioned above. The location was good. The "busses" run frequently and cost only $1 to get to town. You can also take the bus the other direction to Soufriere where there is a good dive operation. There is also a very well thought of dive operator right next door to the Evergreen. We chose the one at Soufriere because it was closer to the area where we had heard there was good snorkeling. The snorkeling was OK (not great), but the whole experience of being in the very quiet town of Soufriere, drinking a fresh coconut that we bought from a man who had just cut it from a palm on the beach, and being with the very friendly dive shop folks made for a very enjoyable day. We spent another day on an excursion to Portsmouth, the town on the northwest coast. The bus ride there took about 1 hour from Roseau (the main town) and cost only $7 – a great bargain. The ride was beautiful as we went along the coast. At one stop some kids came running over to sell bunches of kinips, a small green fruit, tart but delicious. The main attraction in Porstmouth is a rowboat ride up the Indian River. This is about the most touristy thing that you can do on Dominica, and even it is in tune with nature. Just make sure you get a boat that does not use a motor. Just a note about the other most touristy thing: Our greatest disappointment was visiting the famous Emerald Pool when a tour group was there. We were on an around-the-island excursion with a woman from Ken’s Hinterland Tours, but we got to the Emerald Pool at the same time as a group from one of the few cruise ships that stops at Dominica. I could see how the pool could be a wonderful place to be if you were there alone, but seeing it as part of a large group was far worse than not having seen it at all – kind of like getting to the Sistine Chapel on the day of a rock concert. Enjoy! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Does anyone have any information on this island? What’s the climate like, > any good beaches, snorkeling, places to stay, interesting sites, etc.? > Thanks.

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We were in Dominica during Xmas and New Years 3 Xmas’ ago. I doubt that much has changed. Crowded by Dominica standards is totally uncrowded by any other island’s standards. Except when a cruise ship docked, there were no crowds at all. Most of the places in Dominica do not accomodate significant numbers of tourists, so we were remarkable when we were there as the family staying at Papillote with the blonde and red headed kids. Att the time of our visit Papillote charged $65-75 a night for a room. I don’t believe that Castaways or Evergreen were considerably more…we just heard that papillote was a great place for us to stay. It did not get any more low key than that. Papillote is in the rain forest, with about 8 rooms. The grounds are spectacular. Walking from there to Trafalgar or sitting in their mineral spas is great and easy. It is a drive to anywhere else. For snorkeling, you might consider places that are on the water like Castaways and Evergreen. The former is a bit bigger than Papillote, set on what is described as a beach. It was actually only a small strip of black sand when we were there, but it is on the water. Evergreen looked like a more sophisticated place with a lovely pool, but I don’t know what the rooms are like and if the air of sophistication was real or not. I know the food there was great and the place pretty. We can only tell you that sandwiches at Castaways were fine, so it is hard to compare. Castaways was our second choice of accomodations. Let me know if you need further info that we might drag out of our memories. It was a remarkable vacation. Melanie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >We’d like to visit Dominica in December for a couple of weeks and would like >to hear any advice from people who have been there. >We’re hoping for a low-key vacation away from lots of tourists, we just >want to snorkle, walk in the forest and get away from Brooklyn. >How crowded will Dominica be during December? >Anyone know of inexpensive but clean and quite places to stay there? >Any tips about good places to eat, or shops to buy food, or places to >snorkle? >Anything that we should bring with us because it’s unavailable or very >expensive there? >Your advice will be very gratefully received. >"In THIS house we obey the laws of thermo-dynamics" Homer Simpson > (The Simpsons) > ~~ SEX ~~ > My favorite radio show: This American Life > you can hear it anytime at > http://thislife.org/ > not especially much to do with sex but it got your attention, right?

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Melanie gives a very accurate picture of Dominica. We stayed at both Papillote and Evergreen, and if you are staying a week or more you might want to split your time between the two places as we did. Evergreen’s rooms were very attractive and comfortable. Dominica is not the best (or even a very good) place for snorkeling. We were able to amuse ourselves for a half hour or so snorkeling off of Evergreen’s pebble beach. There is a nice beach at Soufriere, which is about a 20 minute bus ride south of the Evergreen, and we went out with the very friendly dive operation there to snorkel. I have included below a post that I made a while ago about Dominica. Feel free to email me if you have other questions. Dominica is an extraordinary island. One of the primary tourist activities is hiking. Actually, it does not offer hiking so much as it offers HIKING. We took what was touted by some books as a "pleasant rainforest walk" to Middleham Falls. We are in reasonably good shape (for fifty-somethings) but the 4 hours up and down ravines over slippery railway ties was, shall we say, challenging. At the end was both a gorgeous waterfall and the prospect of 4 hours BACK over the same ravines. If you like that (and I’ll bet that all real hikers would), Dominica will offer you all that you want in the way of hiking. We were glad that we had done it even though it damn near killed us. Dominica is unique among the islands in having huge mountains and rushing rivers. It also has lovely people. Part of our trip we stayed on the coast a few miles from the main town. It was a delight to ride the vans that served as buses between our hotel and the town. The people were always friendly and we felt that we were visitors rather than tourists. The Saturday food market was one of the best that we have seen in the Caribbean. And the mangoes were absolutely the best. As I said, we stayed about 4 days on the coast. Our small hotel (the Evergreen) was lovely, but there was not a sand beach. Rather there was a beach made of stones. We are avid snorkelers. The snorkeling off the stone beach was enough to amuse us for a half hour or so on a couple of afternoons. The food in Dominica was what you should be able to get in the Caribbean but rarely do – many locally grown fruits and vegetables. It was not fancy, but it was real, and it was good. On most other islands, you are more likely to get food from Miami. Our non-coast locale was Papillotte which bills itself as a rainforest retreat. If you go there, ask for the "cabin". We found three or four days there and about the same at Evergreen to be a good combination. Costs for both food and lodging were moderate throughout Dominica. Papillote was an extraordinary place to stay. Our room was in a separate small building away from the main lodge. You reached it by wandering through a lushly planted area and past a creek and waterfall – that’s right, a beautiful little 30 foot or so waterfall. The room was not at all fancy, but the feeling of being a part of the rainforest was something that I think anyone would enjoy for at least a few days and perhaps for much longer. The gorgeous Trafalgar waterfalls are a very easy 20 minute walk from the hotel. The food at the hotel was very good, and there is also a good, small restaurant a few hundred yards down the road. Our hotel on the coast was the Evergreen. It is a small hotel with very attractively decorated rooms and a very good restaurant. It has a small pool if you prefer that to the rock "beach" that I mentioned above. The location was good. The "busses" run frequently and cost only $1 to get to town. You can also take the bus the other direction to Soufriere where there is a good dive operation. There is also a very well thought of dive operator right next door to the Evergreen. We chose the one at Soufriere because it was closer to the area where we had heard there was good snorkeling. The snorkeling was OK (not great), but the whole experience of being in the very quiet town of Soufriere, drinking a fresh coconut that we bought from a man who had just cut it from a palm on the beach, and being with the very friendly dive shop folks made for a very enjoyable day. We spent another day on an excursion to Portsmouth, the town on the northwest coast. The bus ride there took about 1 hour from Roseau (the main town) and cost only $7 – a great bargain. The ride was beautiful as we went along the coast. At one stop some kids came running over to sell bunches of kinips, a small green fruit, tart but delicious. The main attraction in Porstmouth is a rowboat ride up the Indian River. This is about the most touristy thing that you can do on Dominica, and even it is in tune with nature. Just make sure you get a boat that does not use a motor. Just a note about the other most touristy thing: Our greatest disappointment was visiting the famous Emerald Pool when a tour group was there. We were on an around-the-island excursion with a woman from Ken’s Hinterland Tours, but we got to the Emerald Pool at the same time as a group from one of the few cruise ships that stops at Dominica. I could see how the pool could be a wonderful place to be if you were there alone, but seeing it as part of a large group was far worse than not having seen it at all – kind of like getting to the Sistine Chapel on the day of a rock concert. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We were in Dominica during Xmas and New Years 3 Xmas’ ago. I doubt > that much has changed. Crowded by Dominica standards is totally > uncrowded by any other island’s standards. Except when a cruise ship > docked, there were no crowds at all. Most of the places in Dominica > do not accomodate significant numbers of tourists, so we were > remarkable when we were there as the family staying at Papillote with > the blonde and red headed kids. Att the time of our visit Papillote > charged $65-75 a night for a room. I don’t believe that Castaways or > Evergreen were considerably more…we just heard that papillote was a > great place for us to stay. It did not get any more low key than > that. Papillote is in the rain forest, with about 8 rooms. The > grounds are spectacular. Walking from there to Trafalgar or sitting > in their mineral spas is great and easy. It is a drive to anywhere > else. For snorkeling, you might consider places that are on the water > like Castaways and Evergreen. The former is a bit bigger than > Papillote, set on what is described as a beach. It was actually only > a small strip of black sand when we were there, but it is on the > water. Evergreen looked like a more sophisticated place with a lovely > pool, but I don’t know what the rooms are like and if the air of > sophistication was real or not. I know the food there was great and > the place pretty. We can only tell you that sandwiches at Castaways > were fine, so it is hard to compare. Castaways was our second choice > of accomodations. Let me know if you need further info that we might > drag out of our memories. It was a remarkable vacation. Melanie >We’d like to visit Dominica in December for a couple of weeks and would like >to hear any advice from people who have been there. >We’re hoping for a low-key vacation away from lots of tourists, we just >want to snorkle, walk in the forest and get away from Brooklyn. >How crowded will Dominica be during December? >Anyone know of inexpensive but clean and quite places to stay there? >Any tips about good places to eat, or shops to buy food, or places to >snorkle? >Anything that we should bring with us because it’s unavailable or very >expensive there? >Your advice will be very gratefully received. >"In THIS house we obey the laws of thermo-dynamics" Homer Simpson > (The Simpsons) > ~~ SEX ~~ > My favorite radio show: This American Life > you can hear it anytime at > http://thislife.org/ > not especially much to do with sex but it got your attention, right?

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Dominica is perfect for a low keyed vacation. Christmas time is also very festive in this little island. As far as hotel goes there are some lovely quest houses in the north. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >We’d like to visit Dominica in December for a couple of weeks and would like >to hear any advice from people who have been there. >We’re hoping for a low-key vacation away from lots of tourists, we just >want to snorkle, walk in the forest and get away from Brooklyn. >How crowded will Dominica be during December? >Anyone know of inexpensive but clean and quite places to stay there? >Any tips about good places to eat, or shops to buy food, or places to >snorkle? >Anything that we should bring with us because it’s unavailable or very >expensive there? >Your advice will be very gratefully received. >"In THIS house we obey the laws of thermo-dynamics" Homer Simpson > (The Simpsons) > ~~ SEX ~~ > My favorite radio show: This American Life > you can hear it anytime at > http://thislife.org/ > not especially much to do with sex but it got your attention, right?

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Roxy’s Mountain Lodge is a clean, quiet place to stay in the Villag of Laudat. Laudat is the gateway to the the Boiling Lake, Freshwater Lake, forests, etc. Roxy’s actually has a web page. Whoever asked about Dominica info, feel free to e-mail me privately. Have family there and would be happy to give you info. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Dominica is perfect for a low keyed vacation. Christmas time is also very > festive in this little island. As far as hotel goes there are some lovely > quest houses in the north. >We’d like to visit Dominica in December for a couple of weeks and would > like >to hear any advice from people who have been there. >We’re hoping for a low-key vacation away from lots of tourists, we just >want to snorkle, walk in the forest and get away from Brooklyn. >How crowded will Dominica be during December? >Anyone know of inexpensive but clean and quite places to stay there? >Any tips about good places to eat, or shops to buy food, or places to >snorkle? >Anything that we should bring with us because it’s unavailable or very >expensive there? >Your advice will be very gratefully received. >"In THIS house we obey the laws of thermo-dynamics" Homer Simpson > (The Simpsons) > ~~ SEX ~~ > My favorite radio show: This American Life > you can hear it anytime at > http://thislife.org/ > not especially much to do with sex but it got your attention, right?

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Does anyone know of a good guide book to Dominica? I’m looking for a good source of unbiased (not an ad/brochure, or anyone with a financial interest) information. Thanks. Darryl

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> Does anyone know of a good guide book to Dominica? > I’m looking for a good source of unbiased (not an ad/brochure, or > anyone with a financial interest) information. Thanks. > Darryl

There is a volume in the series of island guides published by MacMillan Caribbean on Dominica, by Lennox Honeychurch. Its a good general introduction but lacks specifics like where to stay, eat etc. Lonely Planet guide to the Eastern Caribbean has a reasonably accurate chapter on Dominica but unless a newer version has come out (mine is October 1994), its getting a bit out of date. Why not get the info you need from this newsgroup? Anita Malhotra

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As mentioned, the book Dominica: Isle of Adventure by Lennox Honychurch has a lot of interesting info on the island. But the stuff sent by the tourist board is also full of info and is free. What specifically are you seeking? info on where to stay? what to do? sites? Melanie (It’s a car) ______ (oo=00=oo) []=****=[]

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>Does anyone know of a good guide book to Dominica? >Darryl

Well funny you should say that but we’re off there in December for our honeymoon so I’ve been searching for good guide books. I’ve come across 3 so far. Carribean Sunseekers ‘Dominica’. Last printed in 1995, so possibly out of date a bit but got some quite nice photos and some maps. Does mention places to stay too. Caribbean Islands Handbook which is reprinted yearly has a section on Dominica and seems good. (we used it when we went to Barbados and it was ok). Cadogan does a guide for the whole of the Caribbean too, which is factual but mentions places to stay as well as eating places etc. There is an Ordnance survey map too (scale 1:50000) which is fairly good! There are some good web sites if you haven’t already found them too eg www.delphis.dm which had lots of useful stuff. The Dominican Tourist Board in London was great and sent some good stuff and lists of accomodation too. Hope this helps and hava a good trip!! Julie Odell (please replace NOSPAM with bottlenose if replying by email)

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>Does anyone know of a good guide book to Dominica? >Darryl

Dominica is a beautiful place!! If you like nature you’ll love it!!! If I get a chance I’ll see if I can find an old book I have(can’t remember the name) that’s published annually in the UK (we bought it in the US) and is a guide to the whole caribbean but has information that all the others fell short on. Casey — http://www.aquaarts.com

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Thinking about vacationing in Dominica late April or May. Want to hike, bird watch, fish, snorkel and relax. Any suggestions, as to accommodations and guides?

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We stayed at Papillote in dominica for almost 2 weeks last Xmas and loved it. The only thing we did not do was snorkel. The Syndicate trail is great for bird watching. We went with a guide named Lewis at the early afternoon time, which everyone claimed would be too late for birding…and will wonders never cease we managed to see multiples of the two kinds of parrots, watched the rain roll in from the valley until it finally hit the side we were on. Lewis was full of knowledge about things Dominican and included lots of information perfect for our kids, like which plants grew where and what fresh coffee beans, fresh cocoa were like. He made a real effort to educate us which added a lot to our enjoyment. We picked fresh mandarins, oranges, and grapefruits that still have our kids drooling since they were so delicious! In fact this year we were disappointed that no one has the fresh fruit juices so easily available as on Dominica! We swam in the Layou River and along the Syndicate trailhead in the river there and went into the sulphur springs. We did most of the Boiling Lake hike (at least of the 4 of us, 2 stopped at Breakfast river and 2 went on with the guide up to the Valley of Desolation). In this one instance we made a big mistake and took a lousy guide. While he was recommended on the net, it turned out that he started us way too late for us to complete the hike; if he had looked more carefully at us (including our then 12 year old daughter), he would have started us early so that we could break along the way. Instead we started driving toward the trail at 10 AM, leaving us little time for pacing ourselves…and it is a tough hike. Back at Papillote, the owners did tell us that they do not recommend this guide even though he hangs out at the place; they recommend Alfred, and the visitors who went with him did make it to the end and back. We enjoyed the Emerald Grotto immensely and found the people of Dominica to be truly wonderful. As an interesting aside, if you stop and chat with them, they open up and share a side you might not normally see. For example, before leaving the museum in Roseau, we asked the docent a simple question about the new prime minister, something like, "I see you have a new PM. How are things?" We were treated to a half hour lecture on politics in Dominica and what it was like for the people there. Similarly in the botanical gardens, we stopped to chat with a worker there who gave us a long talk on the uses and names of all the various plants and herbs there, including questions about how we Americans use the same plants. In all, we did not really have any bad experiences anywhere on Dominica and we enjoyed our stay immensely. Papillote was a lovely and very interesting place and I can tell you that after we returned to a horrible winter, I regularly wished to be in the hot spa at Papillote, where no aches were allowed!! have a great time! Melanie and David – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Thinking about vacationing in Dominica late April or May. Want to hike, >bird watch, fish, snorkel and relax. Any suggestions, as to >accommodations and guides?

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>Thinking about vacationing in Dominica late April or May. Want to hike, >bird watch, fish, snorkel and relax. Any suggestions, as to >accommodations and guides?

The Fort Young Hotel is nice. Get a second floor room. Big with nice views. The restaurant is not great so I’d look elsewhere for food.

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I am going on a cruise at the end of March and one of my stops is Dominica. I am very interested in finding out about hiking opportunities while there. Please e-mail me with any info you may have. Thanks

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> I am going on a cruise at the end of March and one of my stops is > Dominica. I am very interested in finding out about hiking > opportunities while there. > Please e-mail me with any info you may have. > Thanks

Hi I’ve done a fair bit of hiking here in Dominica – see http://www.delphis.dm/thelake.htm and http://www.delphis.dm/hidden.htm for more details and photos.

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I would appreciate hearing from anyone who stayed at Castle Comfort Lodge. Also seeking jeep rental, dining recommendations. Thanks Jerry

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>I would appreciate hearing from anyone who stayed at Castle Comfort >Lodge. Also seeking jeep rental, dining recommendations. Thanks >Jerry

Hi, Jerry. I have’t stayed at Castle Comfort, but you might enjoy looking at pictures of Dominica on our web site. If you rent a jeep, you will probaby be required to take the insurance even if you are covered by credit card or whatever else. So we chose a car rather than the jeep. Everywhere we drove the roads were paved just fine. They were, however very narrow, mountaneous and curvy, so it was scarey. You can arrange a car rental in advance from the US. It is recommended to eat at Papillote in the mountains. We stayed there too and would recommend the split between ocean and mountains if you like jungle. You can see pictures of Papillote as well. You will need reservations there — they serve lunch and dinner. They are right by the hot and cold running waterfall and they pipe hot water into their hot tub (which you can see on our web site too — although not maybe distinguish that the water comes out of a dolphin mouth). Judy Four Winds Travel Services, Inc. 630-851-4336, 800-447-2186 http://www.4windstravel.com/

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Hi Greg and Kathy, As Lorrie pointed out, Ken’s Hinterland Adventures can be an excellent first page to consult: http://www.kenshinterlandtours.com/comtodomoncr.html Aloha

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just be careful if you hire a guide to take you swimming in the waterfalls.. friends of mine were told to "leave their stuff" on the rocks so it wouldnt get wet and then when they were swimming, the guide signaled to his friends and some of their stuff was stolen- they did catch them in the act so they didnt get away with everything. I loved Dominica. Sandi

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Nice folks, pretty nature, quaint town, every reason to pop in, say hello, drop some bucks, and mind your manners. It’s not Rio but it’s also not St.Thomas. Be thankful for your luck.

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Thanks to everyone for your input! We were not sure about Dominica but it sounds very interesting. We’ve contacted Ken’s Hinterland Adventures and are looking forward to seeing a "new" island. Thanks again. Greg and Kathy Holiday 11/24/01 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi All, > We’ve cruised a lot in the past 20 years but have never > had the opportunity to visit Dominica before. We checked a > few web sites and got the basics but we would really like a > few personal opinions. BTW…we love beaches but it looks > like they are not one of Dominica’s strong points. Any > suggestions, warnings or other information would be greatly > appreciated. As only a few ships stop there, we’re > curious. We’ve occasionally come across ports of call that > we’ve designated "SOS" (stay on ship)… I hope this isn’t > one of them. > Thank you in advance. > Greg and Kathy > Holiday 11/24/01

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For great photographs of Dominica please click this link below: http://communities.msn.com/DimitriSokolenko

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> For great photographs of Dominica please click this link below: > http://communities.msn.com/DimitriSokolenko

Hello, Some people told me that they have problems when they trying to download pictures of Dominica from my MSN Photo Album (see above). You can take a look at same pictures of Dominica on my different Webshots Photo Album: http://community.webshots.com/user/dimitrisokolenko

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Greg, One of my favorite ports is Dominica. I agree with Robocop…the island is unspoiled and natural. I enjoyed the Champagne Snorkeling Tour ! Snorkeling in thermal bubbles was very enjoyable. When you initially step off the ship you will face many cabbies and solicitors…selling tours and local products.

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Hi All, We’ve cruised a lot in the past 20 years but have never had the opportunity to visit Dominica before. We checked a few web sites and got the basics but we would really like a few personal opinions. BTW…we love beaches but it looks like they are not one of Dominica’s strong points. Any suggestions, warnings or other information would be greatly appreciated. As only a few ships stop there, we’re curious. We’ve occasionally come across ports of call that we’ve designated "SOS" (stay on ship)… I hope this isn’t one of them. Thank you in advance. Greg and Kathy Holiday 11/24/01

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We had a wonderful day on Dominica a couple of years ago. It’s a very beautiful island. We booked a tour with Ken’s Hinterland Adventure Tours 1-800-448-4850 and had an exciting tour of Trafalgar Falls, Ti-Tou Gorge, where we actually swam up the gorge, and the Sulphur Springs. It was a great day. Lorrie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi All, > We’ve cruised a lot in the past 20 years but have never > had the opportunity to visit Dominica before. We checked a > few web sites and got the basics but we would really like a > few personal opinions. BTW…we love beaches but it looks > like they are not one of Dominica’s strong points. Any > suggestions, warnings or other information would be greatly > appreciated. As only a few ships stop there, we’re > curious. We’ve occasionally come across ports of call that > we’ve designated "SOS" (stay on ship)… I hope this isn’t > one of them. > Thank you in advance. > Greg and Kathy > Holiday 11/24/01

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Greg, Dominica is a truly beautiful and unspoiled island. There just isn’t much to do there in the way of shopping, beaches, and other stuff that many tourist look for. Take an island tour and see the waterfalls, Avery, and jungle. It really is a beautiful island and somewhat primitive, which is why it has remains so damn beautiful IMHO. I loved the place. Be advised that there is some abject poverty there but I didn’t get any bad vibes of danger. Jim Community Staff Leader http://www.cruisemates.com The Internet Cruise Magazine

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi All, > We’ve cruised a lot in the past 20 years but have never > had the opportunity to visit Dominica before. We checked a > few web sites and got the basics but we would really like a > few personal opinions. BTW…we love beaches but it looks > like they are not one of Dominica’s strong points. Any > suggestions, warnings or other information would be greatly > appreciated. As only a few ships stop there, we’re > curious. We’ve occasionally come across ports of call that > we’ve designated "SOS" (stay on ship)… I hope this isn’t > one of them. > Thank you in advance. > Greg and Kathy > Holiday 11/24/01

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Hi Greg and Kathy, As Lorrie pointed out, Ken’s Hinterland Adventures can be an excellent first page to consult: http://www.kenshinterlandtours.com/comtodomoncr.html Aloha

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Nice folks, pretty nature, quaint town, every reason to pop in, say hello, drop some bucks, and mind your manners. It’s not Rio but it’s also not St.Thomas. Be thankful for your luck.

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For great photographs of Dominica please click this link below: http://communities.msn.com/DimitriSokolenko

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> For great photographs of Dominica please click this link below: > http://communities.msn.com/DimitriSokolenko

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Unethical practices in m.t.a-i – Beware!

admin — Tue, 11 Jan 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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> Wow! Where does he find all the time to come up with all these

One has to wonder how Nomen Nescio (Mike) has the time to track JF!

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>> If you don’t want to visit misc.travel.air-industry, don’t visit it. > However, we’re seeing substantial traffic on the site from people > who appreciate a moderated site without the off-topic garbage found > elsewhere. >Exactly. What the heck is wrong having a travel site which actually >stays with that topic? And if your post to r.t.a also gets posted to >the m.t.a-i site, consider it a complement. It is not like >contributions never see cross posting.

I don’t know where you are seeing "substantial traffic" in m.t.a.i. I subscribe to it and I check daily. There has been one message in two days. You are wrong on your rationalization of cross-posting. If I send a message to RTA then I don’t expect it to be crossposted to MTAI JUST to create more traffic in MTAI.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > road and took a dump, in plain view for all to see: >> This is dishonest in the extreme. First, there is no "substantial" >> traffic. Just a trickle of messages. On some days there are no >> messages at all. >Look Nomen. If you want any respect, stop posting through dizum. > Ahaaahaaahaahaahaahaa!!! > You lecturing others on respect and how to post is the funniest irony > ever, especially in light of these very "respectful" aliases you were > caught using to troll rec.travel.air, sci.space.shuttle, and various > other groups:

Wow! Where does he find all the time to come up with all these — Best Greg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> J.F., in all honesty, you really aren’t in a position to play that >> card. You were posting here under a goofy synonym that everyone knew >Has it ever occured to you that there was and still is a very good reason to >use a goofy name ? Think Nomen Nescio. > My point was and always has been using a stupid nickname when > everybody knows who you are accomplishes nothing. If people want to > keep bringing certain things up, which is their prerogative in a > public forum, then they will no matter how creative or uncreative your > handle is. >I wish that one day he/they update their scripts to also harass and stalk you. >You’ll find youself using similar tactics very quickly. And if you are unhappy >about my "nobody", then be fair and apply your criticism to all others who use >a non descript nickname. There are plenty fo people who use this where you can >in fact know their real identity. > Like it or not, operating on a public forum exposes a person to > ridicule. That has nothing to do with me or anyone else — it’s just > the way life is. >Remember that the dizum server and their ilk allow (and often condone) the >forging of identities. And consider the implications of this in tye long term, >especially when you have morons likep Greg Morrow whose sole purpose on the >newsgroups is to quote verbatim Nomen’s vomit so that it gets indexed into Google. >Just because you dislike me doesn’t mean that you have to support the Nomens. > I don’t have a personal dislike for you. I have an intense dislike for > your hatred of the U.S. and your inability to see the fact that Canada > and Europe, and the vast majority of the civilized world, have done > their share of crap too.

Well wow, I am honored to see that the cretin JF Mezei thinks I am behind his little "conspiracies"…I guess sending those stealth helicopters hovering over his mommy’s house did *some* good…lol. — Best Greg

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[blah blah blah SNIP!] >Nobody else gives a damn whether or not you like or trust moderated sites.

Obviously YOU do, since you responded with that long-winded JFesque tirade. Maybe Levine will make you feel better by plundering a few more messages from rta to create some more artificial traffic for m.t.a-i.

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> If you don’t want to visit misc.travel.air-industry, don’t visit it. > However, we’re seeing substantial traffic on the site from people > who appreciate a moderated site without the off-topic garbage found > elsewhere.

Exactly. What the heck is wrong having a travel site which actually stays with that topic? And if your post to r.t.a also gets posted to the m.t.a-i site, consider it a complement. It is not like contributions never see cross posting.

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road and took a dump, in plain view for all to see: > This is dishonest in the extreme. First, there is no "substantial" > traffic. Just a trickle of messages. On some days there are no > messages at all. >Look Nomen. If you want any respect, stop posting through dizum.

Ahaaahaaahaahaahaahaa!!! You lecturing others on respect and how to post is the funniest irony ever, especially in light of these very "respectful" aliases you were caught using to troll rec.travel.air, sci.space.shuttle, and various other groups:

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defecated: > J.F., in all honesty, you really aren’t in a position to play that > card. You were posting here under a goofy synonym that everyone knew >Has it ever occured to you that there was and still is a very good reason to >use a goofy name ? Think Nomen Nescio. Boo-hoo!!! Nomen doesn’t like me! >Boo-hoo-hooo!!! I should be free to troll the newsgroups 24 hours a >day as I see >fit without anyone embarassing me!!! That Nomen is making fun of me and it >hurts my feelings! Waaaaahhh!!!! Wait till it happens to you! Waawaawahhh!!! >Nomen Nomen Nomen, my life is miserable because Nomen won’t let me troll!!!

Hey JF, idiot, have you ever noticed that all this "stalking" (convenient victim word you like to use to feed your all-consuming paranoia) you claim happens is really only happening to you and one other person? Have you ever wondered why it never happens to 99% of the other people who post here, many of whom post using their real names??? If you’d stop masturbating and using illegal drugs you might notice that you and that other idiot, who is as big a troll and netkook as you, are the only ones singled out. See? Masturbation really DOES make you go blind. Think about it – with the 1 brain cell you may have left.

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> Do you think we are paid each time somebody visits > misc.travel.air-industry? > Frankly, misc.travel.air-industry was revived to offer an alternative to > this site without the spam and off-topic stuff. > And John Levine, JF Mezei, and I post there under our own names.

So do I. Jeff, he must be jealous–you know what they say about crabs in the pot.

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>However, we’re seeing substantial traffic on the site from people who >appreciate a moderated site

This is dishonest in the extreme. First, there is no "substantial" traffic. Just a trickle of messages. On some days there are no messages at all. Second, 95% of the messages are generated by you, Mezei, and Levine – the moderators. Third, a good number of those are messages you three poach from rec.travel.air. How can anyone trust such dishonest individuals, especially when they are the *moderators*?!?

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> This is dishonest in the extreme. First, there is no "substantial" > traffic. Just a trickle of messages. On some days there are no > messages at all.

Look Nomen. If you want any respect, stop posting through dizum. If you’re unhappy about dizum being blocked from moderated newsgroups, you have only yourself and all your friends to blame since you are the ones who have abused and misused dizum. Rebuilding misc.transport.air-industry won’t happen overnight. Luckily, sci.aeronautics, airliners is also being rescussitated and together, we may be able to rebuild participation levels. It also requires work to ensure major news services have the right configuration for the moderated newsgroup, and working out the software kinks that prevents many legitimate posters from contributing.

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>> This is dishonest in the extreme. First, there is no "substantial" > traffic. Just a trickle of messages. On some days there are no > messages at all. >Look Nomen. If you want any respect, stop posting through dizum. If you’re >unhappy about dizum being blocked from moderated newsgroups, you have only >yourself and all your friends to blame since you are the ones who have abused >and misused dizum.

Idiot. I have no desire to post in your stupid little group. I don’t post in moderated groups, period. I don’t trust them, I don’t trust moderators, and I would never EVER trust any group that would choose YOU as a moderator. I’m simply doing this to alert others who might not know what is going on. And for you, possibly the biggest troll and netkook in the history of usenet, to be lecturing others on respect and how to post appropriately is just insane beyond words. But then, it’s coming from you, and nothing is too insane when it comes to you. After reading your rabid, foaming at the mouth paranoid rants and tirades against the USA for years, and the rest of your off the wall conspiracy theories, which you post 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, year after year after year, there is nothing one wouldn’t believe about you, or be shocked by if it has to do with you. To say that you are psychotic would be the biggest understatement in the world. Hope this helps. Now fuck off and die, kook.

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> J.F., in all honesty, you really aren’t in a position to play that > card. You were posting here under a goofy synonym that everyone knew

Has it ever occured to you that there was and still is a very good reason to use a goofy name ? Think Nomen Nescio. I wish that one day he/they update their scripts to also harass and stalk you. You’ll find youself using similar tactics very quickly. And if you are unhappy about my "nobody", then be fair and apply your criticism to all others who use a non descript nickname. There are plenty fo people who use this where you can in fact know their real identity. Remember that the dizum server and their ilk allow (and often condone) the forging of identities. And consider the implications of this in tye long term, especially when you have morons likep Greg Morrow whose sole purpose on the newsgroups is to quote verbatim Nomen’s vomit so that it gets indexed into Google. Just because you dislike me doesn’t mean that you have to support the Nomens. > just because you started getting a rough reception. At least you’ve > stopped that now, which may help you build some credibility.

I have not stopped. Not until the Nomens stop harassing and stalking me. Unlike the Nomens, I do not stalk, harass people, nor do I forge other poster’s email adresses nor do I cross post stuff users say to many newsgroups. If anyone has any criticism, it should be directed to the Nomens.

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[snip] > Idiot. > I have no desire to post in your stupid little group. I don’t post in > moderated groups, period. I don’t trust them, I don’t trust > moderators, and I would never EVER trust any group that would choose > YOU as a moderator. > I’m simply doing this to alert others who might not know what is going > on.

[snip] There. you’ve said it (from behind your anonymous posting service). You don’t post in moderated groups. You don’t trust moderators. That’s your privilege. But you have no problem with your comments here which really have nothing to do with rec.travel.air, and you’re obviously reading misc.transport.air-industry enough to make a judgment about the postings on that site. A moderated site will always have fewer postings than an unmoderated one. misc.transport.air-industry is doing quite well with postings now, and we hope it will grow. If you want to visit the site, great. If not, that’s your business. Nobody else gives a damn whether or not you like or trust moderated sites.

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Posters in rec.travel.air should be aware: Your posts are being stolen and replied to in misc.transport.air-industry without notifying you. This unethical practice is being perpetrated by the moderators of m.t.a-i because they want to increase traffic in their group since no one is posting there. The biggest perpetrator of these unethical practices is John R. Levine, the one whose "Moderator coordination and support is graciously provided by". Shame on him, he should know better. Ask yourself: How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup whose moderation coordinator pulls that kind of crap. How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where one of the moderators is *JF MEZEI*??? How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where another one of the moderators is Jeff Hacker? Jeff Hacker is an ardent Bushite who is quick to flame any poster on RTA who expresses a political view he disagrees with and is quick to call for a moderated newsgroup yet at the same time is most happy to push his own neo-con views on others and spread false political propaganda and outright lies. How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where you do not have a full list of all the moderators, a newsgroup FAQ, or a clear policy statement on who will be reviewing your posts and what the criteria is for approving or rejecting them. If some mysterious force still manages to compel you to post there, at the very least ask for four things before you do: 1) A regularly posted list to the newsgroup of ALL the moderators with their e-mail addresses (of their real ISPs, not some free web-based throwaway account) and their policies for disciplining/removing moderators who act inappropriately. If they don’t have these policies in place, ask to have them written up and posted with a pledge that they will be enforced! before you begin posting to the newsgroup. 2) A newsgroup FAQ regularly posted to the newsgroup. 3) A clear statement regularly posted to the newsgroup of what the policies are for accepting or rejecting posts and if there is an appeal process for rejected messages. 4) A clear statement regularly posted to the newsgroup on what the policies are for banning people from posting in the group and if there is an appeal process. The vast majority of usenet posters hate moderated groups, and for good reason. Moderated newsgroups (and their web counterparts, forums) tend to be heavily censored and run by Nazi moderators and petty little dictators who love to lord it over others. Most moderators are highly biased and act in a very inconsistent manner, especially when rejecting/deleting messages and banning posters, despite their claims to the contrary. If you still must post in a moderated newsgroup, at least ask for clear policies and FAQs and demand full ACCOUTABILITY and RESPONSIBILITY from the moderators.

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Do you think we are paid each time somebody visits misc.travel.air-industry? Frankly, misc.travel.air-industry was revived to offer an alternative to this site without the spam and off-topic stuff. And John Levine, JF Mezei, and I post there under our own names. Also, with your inane comments about our opinions and politics (which you also won’t see mentioned on that site), did you ever stop and think that we (the moderators) don’t necessarily agree on much in that arena? JF Mezei associating with an "ardent Bushite???" If you don’t want to visit misc.travel.air-industry, don’t visit it. However, we’re seeing substantial traffic on the site from people who appreciate a moderated site without the off-topic garbage found elsewhere. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Posters in rec.travel.air should be aware: > Your posts are being stolen and replied to in > misc.transport.air-industry without notifying you. > This unethical practice is being perpetrated by the moderators of > m.t.a-i because they want to increase traffic in their group since no > one is posting there. The biggest perpetrator of these unethical > practices is John R. Levine, the one whose "Moderator coordination and > support is graciously provided by". Shame on him, he should know > better. > Ask yourself: > How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup whose moderation > coordinator pulls that kind of crap. > How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where one of the > moderators is *JF MEZEI*??? > How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where another one of > the moderators is Jeff Hacker? Jeff Hacker is an ardent Bushite who > is quick to flame any poster on RTA who expresses a political view he > disagrees with and is quick to call for a moderated newsgroup yet at > the same time is most happy to push his own neo-con views on others > and spread false political propaganda and outright lies. > How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where you do not have a > full list of all the moderators, a newsgroup FAQ, or a clear policy > statement on who will be reviewing your posts and what the criteria is > for approving or rejecting them. > If some mysterious force still manages to compel you to post there, at > the very least ask for four things before you do: > 1) A regularly posted list to the newsgroup of ALL the moderators with > their e-mail addresses (of their real ISPs, not some free web-based > throwaway account) and their policies for disciplining/removing > moderators who act inappropriately. If they don’t have these policies > in place, ask to have them written up and posted with a pledge that > they will be enforced! before you begin posting to the newsgroup. > 2) A newsgroup FAQ regularly posted to the newsgroup. > 3) A clear statement regularly posted to the newsgroup of what the > policies are for accepting or > rejecting posts and if there is an appeal process for rejected > messages. > 4) A clear statement regularly posted to the newsgroup on what the > policies are for banning people from posting in the group and if there > is an appeal process. > The vast majority of usenet posters hate moderated groups, and for > good reason. Moderated newsgroups (and their web counterparts, > forums) tend to be heavily censored and run by Nazi moderators and > petty little dictators who love to lord it over others. Most > moderators are highly biased and act in a very inconsistent manner, > especially when rejecting/deleting messages and banning posters, > despite their claims to the contrary. > If you still must post in a moderated newsgroup, at least ask for > clear policies and FAQs and demand full ACCOUTABILITY and > RESPONSIBILITY from the moderators.

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Country comparisons

admin — Thu, 30 Dec 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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TOP 25 Countries Real Growth Rate 1. Turkmenistan 21.10 % 2. Equatorial Guinea 20.00 % 3. East Timor 18.00 % 4. Armenia 12.90 % 5. Liechtenstein 11.00 % 6. Azerbaijan 10.60 % 7. Rwanda 9.70 % 8. Kazakhstan 9.50 % 9. Macau 9.50 % 10. Angola 9.40 % 11. Tajikistan 9.10 % 12. China 8.00 % 13. Turkey 7.80 % 14. Bhutan 7.70 % 15. Mozambique 7.70 % 16. Iran 7.60 % 17. San Marino 7.50 % 18. Chad 7.40 % 19. Albania 7.30 % 20. Vietnam 7.00 % 21. Ireland 6.90 % 22. Lithuania 6.70 % 23. Sierra Leone 6.60 % 24. Moldova 6.50 % 25. Korea, South 6.30 % TOP 25 Countries per capita purchasing power 1. Luxembourg 48,900 $ 2. United States 36,300 $ 3. Bermuda 35,200 $ 4. Cayman Islands 35,000 $ 5. San Marino 34,600 $ 6. Norway 33,000 $ 7. Switzerland 32,000 $ 8. Iceland 30,200 $ 9. Canada 29,300 $ 10. Ireland 29,300 $ 11. Belgium 29,200 $ 12. Denmark 28,900 $ 13. Japan 28,700 $ 14. Aruba 28,000 $ 15. Austria 27,900 $ 16. Hong Kong 27,200 $ 17. Netherlands 27,200 $ 18. Monaco 27,000 $ 19. Australia 26,900 $ 20. Germany 26,200 $ 21. France 26,000 $ 22. Sweden 26,000 $ 23. Finland 25,800 $ 24. United Kingdom 25,500 $ 25. Singapore 25,200 $ Number of Televisions 1. China 400,000,000 2. United States 219,000,000 3. Japan 86,500,000 4. India 63,000,000 5. Russia 60,500,000 6. Germany 51,400,000 7. Brazil 36,500,000 8. France 34,800,000 9. United Kingdom 30,500,000 10. Italy 30,300,000 11. Mexico 25,600,000 12. Canada 21,500,000 13. Turkey 20,900,000 14. Ukraine 18,050,000 15. Spain 16,200,000 16. Korea, South 15,900,000 17. Thailand 15,190,000 18. Indonesia 13,750,000 19. Poland 13,050,000 20. Malaysia 10,800,000 21. Australia 10,150,000 22. Taiwan 8,800,000 23. Netherlands 8,100,000 24. Argentina 7,950,000 25. Egypt 7,700 Military Expenditures as percent of GDP 1. Korea, North 33.90 % 2. Mali 15.00 % 3. Saudi Arabia 13.00 % 4. Ethiopia 12.60 % 5. Oman 12.20 % 6. Eritrea 12.00 % 7. Qatar 10.00 % 8. Israel 8.75 % 9. Jordan 8.60 % 10 Maldives 8.60 % 11. Afghanistan 7.70 % 12. Bahrain 6.70 % 13. Armenia 6.50 % 14. Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of 6.00 % 15. Syria 5.90 % 16. Kuwait 5.50 % 17. Angola 5.40 % 18. Burundi 5.30 % 19. New Caledonia 5.30 % 20. Yemen 5.20 % 21. Brunei 5.00 % 22. Greece 4.91 % 23. Singapore 4.90 % 24. Lebanon 4.80 % 25. Swaziland 4.75 % 26. Congo, Democratic Republic of the 4.60 % 27. Pakistan 4.60 % 28. Bosnia and Herzegovina 4.50 % 29. Turkey 4.50 % 30. Djibouti 4.40 % 31. China 4.30 % 32. Laos 4.20 % 33. Sri Lanka 4.20 % 34. Algeria 4.10 % 35. Egypt 4.10 % 36. Cuba 4.00 % 37. Morocco 4.00 % 38. Libya 3.90 % 39. Tajikistan 3.90 % 40. Cyprus 3.80 % 41. Mauritania 3.70 % 42. Botswana 3.50 % 43. Colombia 3.40 % 44. Ecuador 3.40 % 45. Turkmenistan 3.40 % 46. Guinea 3.30 % 47. United States 3.20 % all from http://www.geographyiq.com

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Define the amount of time sampled.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> TOP 25 Countries Real Growth Rate > 1. Turkmenistan 21.10 % > 2. Equatorial Guinea 20.00 % > 3. East Timor 18.00 % > 4. Armenia 12.90 % > 5. Liechtenstein 11.00 % > 6. Azerbaijan 10.60 % > 7. Rwanda 9.70 % > 8. Kazakhstan 9.50 % > 9. Macau 9.50 % > 10. Angola 9.40 % > 11. Tajikistan 9.10 % > 12. China 8.00 % > 13. Turkey 7.80 % > 14. Bhutan 7.70 % > 15. Mozambique 7.70 % > 16. Iran 7.60 % > 17. San Marino 7.50 % > 18. Chad 7.40 % > 19. Albania 7.30 % > 20. Vietnam 7.00 % > 21. Ireland 6.90 % > 22. Lithuania 6.70 % > 23. Sierra Leone 6.60 % > 24. Moldova 6.50 % > 25. Korea, South 6.30 % > TOP 25 Countries per capita purchasing power > 1. Luxembourg 48,900 $ > 2. United States 36,300 $ > 3. Bermuda 35,200 $ > 4. Cayman Islands 35,000 $ > 5. San Marino 34,600 $ > 6. Norway 33,000 $ > 7. Switzerland 32,000 $ > 8. Iceland 30,200 $ > 9. Canada 29,300 $ > 10. Ireland 29,300 $ > 11. Belgium 29,200 $ > 12. Denmark 28,900 $ > 13. Japan 28,700 $ > 14. Aruba 28,000 $ > 15. Austria 27,900 $ > 16. Hong Kong 27,200 $ > 17. Netherlands 27,200 $ > 18. Monaco 27,000 $ > 19. Australia 26,900 $ > 20. Germany 26,200 $ > 21. France 26,000 $ > 22. Sweden 26,000 $ > 23. Finland 25,800 $ > 24. United Kingdom 25,500 $ > 25. Singapore 25,200 $ > Number of Televisions > 1. China 400,000,000 > 2. United States 219,000,000 > 3. Japan 86,500,000 > 4. India 63,000,000 > 5. Russia 60,500,000 > 6. Germany 51,400,000 > 7. Brazil 36,500,000 > 8. France 34,800,000 > 9. United Kingdom 30,500,000 > 10. Italy 30,300,000 > 11. Mexico 25,600,000 > 12. Canada 21,500,000 > 13. Turkey 20,900,000 > 14. Ukraine 18,050,000 > 15. Spain 16,200,000 > 16. Korea, South 15,900,000 > 17. Thailand 15,190,000 > 18. Indonesia 13,750,000 > 19. Poland 13,050,000 > 20. Malaysia 10,800,000 > 21. Australia 10,150,000 > 22. Taiwan 8,800,000 > 23. Netherlands 8,100,000 > 24. Argentina 7,950,000 > 25. Egypt 7,700 > Military Expenditures as percent of GDP > 1. Korea, North 33.90 % > 2. Mali 15.00 % > 3. Saudi Arabia 13.00 % > 4. Ethiopia 12.60 % > 5. Oman 12.20 % > 6. Eritrea 12.00 % > 7. Qatar 10.00 % > 8. Israel 8.75 % > 9. Jordan 8.60 % > 10 Maldives 8.60 % > 11. Afghanistan 7.70 % > 12. Bahrain 6.70 % > 13. Armenia 6.50 % > 14. Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of 6.00 % > 15. Syria 5.90 % > 16. Kuwait 5.50 % > 17. Angola 5.40 % > 18. Burundi 5.30 % > 19. New Caledonia 5.30 % > 20. Yemen 5.20 % > 21. Brunei 5.00 % > 22. Greece 4.91 % > 23. Singapore 4.90 % > 24. Lebanon 4.80 % > 25. Swaziland 4.75 % > 26. Congo, Democratic Republic of the 4.60 % > 27. Pakistan 4.60 % > 28. Bosnia and Herzegovina 4.50 % > 29. Turkey 4.50 % > 30. Djibouti 4.40 % > 31. China 4.30 % > 32. Laos 4.20 % > 33. Sri Lanka 4.20 % > 34. Algeria 4.10 % > 35. Egypt 4.10 % > 36. Cuba 4.00 % > 37. Morocco 4.00 % > 38. Libya 3.90 % > 39. Tajikistan 3.90 % > 40. Cyprus 3.80 % > 41. Mauritania 3.70 % > 42. Botswana 3.50 % > 43. Colombia 3.40 % > 44. Ecuador 3.40 % > 45. Turkmenistan 3.40 % > 46. Guinea 3.30 % > 47. United States 3.20 % > all from http://www.geographyiq.com

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > TOP 25 Countries Real Growth Rate > 1. Turkmenistan 21.10 % > 2. Equatorial Guinea 20.00 % > 3. East Timor 18.00 % > 4. Armenia 12.90 % > 5. Liechtenstein 11.00 % > 6. Azerbaijan 10.60 % > 7. Rwanda 9.70 % > 8. Kazakhstan 9.50 % > 9. Macau 9.50 % > 10. Angola 9.40 % > 11. Tajikistan 9.10 % > 12. China 8.00 % > 13. Turkey 7.80 % > 14. Bhutan 7.70 % > 15. Mozambique 7.70 % > 16. Iran 7.60 % > 17. San Marino 7.50 % > 18. Chad 7.40 % > 19. Albania 7.30 % > 20. Vietnam 7.00 % > 21. Ireland 6.90 % > 22. Lithuania 6.70 % > 23. Sierra Leone 6.60 % > 24. Moldova 6.50 % > 25. Korea, South 6.30 % > TOP 25 Countries per capita purchasing power > 1. Luxembourg 48,900 $ > 2. United States 36,300 $ > 3. Bermuda 35,200 $ > 4. Cayman Islands 35,000 $ > 5. San Marino 34,600 $ > 6. Norway 33,000 $ > 7. Switzerland 32,000 $ > 8. Iceland 30,200 $ > 9. Canada 29,300 $ > 10. Ireland 29,300 $ > 11. Belgium 29,200 $ > 12. Denmark 28,900 $ > 13. Japan 28,700 $ > 14. Aruba 28,000 $ > 15. Austria 27,900 $ > 16. Hong Kong 27,200 $ > 17. Netherlands 27,200 $ > 18. Monaco 27,000 $ > 19. Australia 26,900 $ > 20. Germany 26,200 $ > 21. France 26,000 $ > 22. Sweden 26,000 $ > 23. Finland 25,800 $ > 24. United Kingdom 25,500 $ > 25. Singapore 25,200 $ > Number of Televisions > 1. China 400,000,000 > 2. United States 219,000,000 > 3. Japan 86,500,000 > 4. India 63,000,000 > 5. Russia 60,500,000 > 6. Germany 51,400,000 > 7. Brazil 36,500,000 > 8. France 34,800,000 > 9. United Kingdom 30,500,000 > 10. Italy 30,300,000 > 11. Mexico 25,600,000 > 12. Canada 21,500,000 > 13. Turkey 20,900,000 > 14. Ukraine 18,050,000 > 15. Spain 16,200,000 > 16. Korea, South 15,900,000 > 17. Thailand 15,190,000 > 18. Indonesia 13,750,000 > 19. Poland 13,050,000 > 20. Malaysia 10,800,000 > 21. Australia 10,150,000 > 22. Taiwan 8,800,000 > 23. Netherlands 8,100,000 > 24. Argentina 7,950,000 > 25. Egypt 7,700 > Military Expenditures as percent of GDP > 1. Korea, North 33.90 % > 2. Mali 15.00 % > 3. Saudi Arabia 13.00 % > 4. Ethiopia 12.60 % > 5. Oman 12.20 % > 6. Eritrea 12.00 % > 7. Qatar 10.00 % > 8. Israel 8.75 % > 9. Jordan 8.60 % > 10 Maldives 8.60 % > 11. Afghanistan 7.70 % > 12. Bahrain 6.70 % > 13. Armenia 6.50 % > 14. Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of 6.00 % > 15. Syria 5.90 % > 16. Kuwait 5.50 % > 17. Angola 5.40 % > 18. Burundi 5.30 % > 19. New Caledonia 5.30 % > 20. Yemen 5.20 % > 21. Brunei 5.00 % > 22. Greece 4.91 % > 23. Singapore 4.90 % > 24. Lebanon 4.80 % > 25. Swaziland 4.75 % > 26. Congo, Democratic Republic of the 4.60 % > 27. Pakistan 4.60 % > 28. Bosnia and Herzegovina 4.50 % > 29. Turkey 4.50 % > 30. Djibouti 4.40 % > 31. China 4.30 % > 32. Laos 4.20 % > 33. Sri Lanka 4.20 % > 34. Algeria 4.10 % > 35. Egypt 4.10 % > 36. Cuba 4.00 % > 37. Morocco 4.00 % > 38. Libya 3.90 % > 39. Tajikistan 3.90 % > 40. Cyprus 3.80 % > 41. Mauritania 3.70 % > 42. Botswana 3.50 % > 43. Colombia 3.40 % > 44. Ecuador 3.40 % > 45. Turkmenistan 3.40 % > 46. Guinea 3.30 % > 47. United States 3.20 % > all from http://www.geographyiq.com

Bloody Hell…! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! The USA is freakin dead LAST on that list….! ! ! ! ! That, folks, is what statistics is all about..! ! ! In the words of that relief guy… "The USA is *stingy* in it’s military expenditures..!!" And what percent of GDP is the war in IRAQ..?? compared to other conflicts..??? Everyone might notice the "per capita purchasing power" list… notice where the European nations are… ? ? ? OOooooooo…. could that be the "cost of social medicine"… ? ? ? ? Or is it related to the productivity numbers… ? ? or the reduction in the work-week… ? ? gtski

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> Bloody Hell…! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! > The USA is freakin dead LAST on that list….! ! ! ! ! > That, folks, is what statistics is all about..! ! ! > In the words of that relief guy… "The USA is *stingy* in it’s > military expenditures..!!"

Last of the top 30, yes.. > And what percent of GDP is the war in IRAQ..?? compared to other > conflicts..??? > Everyone might notice the "per capita purchasing power" list… notice > where the European nations are… ? ? ? OOooooooo…. could that be > the "cost of social medicine"… ? ? ? ? Or is it related to the > productivity numbers… ? ? or the reduction in the work-week… ? ?

It means social security, welfare and soforth are already paid for EVERYONE, not just the ones who can afford private hospital care, which means the money you actually have is worth more my 2 cents /Johan

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> The USA is freakin dead LAST on that list….! ! ! ! ! > That, folks, is what statistics is all about..! ! ! > In the words of that relief guy… "The USA is *stingy* in it’s military > expenditures..!!"

What you didn`t get is that for the most part, those are 3rd world countries. You didn`t see any industrialized countries on the list did you? I doubt that you saw any countries that you would rather live in either. I sure didn`t see any with Social Security, or anything like that. I also wouldn`t want to get sick in many of those places either. The Europeans will ALL be WAY BELOW us on military expenditures since we`ve been defending them for the last 60 years. See ya, John

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that’s why you have to think when presented with numbers. What is 3% of our GDP equivalent to in $$? then compare that with Korea at 33% of GDP. Obviously the US speeds way more than Korea, more than most of the world together. Why? because our 3% of our GDP is still more money than the reat of the world has togehter. So think now about percetages. Seems like some of you don’t understand how percents work. That’s why I posted this, to get you to think. What it really shows is which countries devote the highest percent of their GDP to deense (or offense) . Make some off the cuff generalizations wbout the countries on the top of this list? For one thing if they are spending 33% on defense, then one wonders what they buy with the rest. How is it allocated? Dope made some good points and so did gtski. You can’t compare apple to oranges as many of you frequently do. Statistics only give you a framework to think about what is in front of you as anyone who owns their own business should know, or do none of you use ratios to evaluation your costs? Mr. Sousa asked the best starter question – I don’t know. I’d guess these figures are from annual reports. Look on the web page.

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so third world countries spend a higher percentage of their GDP on military expeditures than first world? Why is that? Why don’t you consider Korea an industrialized country?

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just because it says that United States per capita perchasing power is 36,300 $, doesn’t mean that each one of us has $36,000 to spend. That figure is merely the GDP divided by the population. Since the top 10% of the US population has more that 50% of the $$$, the lower 90% have much less per capital to spend. That helps explain the US poverty figures. GDP/capita is a simple average of output divided by number of people. So it does not say anything about the distribution of national income between rich and poor. What we can say is that GDP/capita provides a rough estimate of average national productivity and national productivity sets bounds on average living standards. Purchasing Power Parity (PPP): . To compare economic statistics across countries, the data must first be converted into a common currency. Unlike conventional exchange rates, PPP rates of exchange allow this conversion to take account of price differences between countries. Recently purchasing power parity exchange rates have been calculated comparing the cost of a common basket of commodities in every country. By eliminating differences in national price levels, the method facilitates comparisons of real values for income, poverty, inequality and expenditure patterns. If the income is unevenly distributed, then increases in the GDP per capita may disproportionately benefit a small group of high income earners and have little impact on reducing poverty. If GDP per capita data is to be used then its distribution must also be taken into account. The Gini Coefficient is used to measure how evenly income is distributed. The closer the Gini coefficient is to 100% the more uneven the income distribution. Zambia 49.8 Netherlands 32.6 UK 36.1 Japan 24.9 USA 40.8 Global income inequality is probably greater than it has ever been in human history. There is some debate about whether it is getting worse or getting better. Currently, the richest 1% of people in the world receives as much as the bottom 57%. The ratio between the average income of the top 5% in the world to the bottom 5% increased from 78 to 1 in 1988 to 114 to 1 in 1993. Today 1.6 billion people or 26 % of the world’s population do not have access to electricity.

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> so third world countries spend a higher percentage of their GDP on > military expeditures than first world? Why is that?

Zoot, WTF..?? To keep thier corrupt leaders in power . . ? ? ? > Why don’t you consider Korea an industrialized country?

Is it . . ? ! ? ! ? ! They can’t even FEED themselves, so maybe they "aren’t" an aggrarian economy.. ? ? ? What exactly DO they "produce".. ? ? Why do they need massive food aid.. ? ? Come on Zoots… gtski

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Perhaps we have a little misunderstanding. There is no country called Korea. North Korea is lead by hard core communist nutjobs. The South Koreans generally use the term "Han’guk" to refer to their country. When I say Korea, I usually mean South Korea. Since I am an American and my father fought in the Korean War, I usually take Korea to mean South Korea. NORTH Korea had a five year famine, SOUTH Korea exports Kia’s to the US. They used to make all Nikes until China opened it’s door to shoe manufacturing. South Korea owns the Samsung plant in Austin, Texas. With Samsung Electric and LG Innotek announcing their collaboration last year, Korea’s high-brightness (HB) LED industry seems to have good prospects. Both HB-LED chip and applications markets are thriving, while the market volume and the number of manufacturing players are increasing. Korea made the first desktop machines with rewritable CD (CD-RW) storage drives. Daewoo Communications Co will released the first 24x speed CD-RW machines in March 15, 1999 IBM Corp, Trigem Computer Inc and Samsung Electronics Co are expected to follow suit later in the year. >From CIA World Factbook:

Since the early 1960s, South Korea has achieved an incredible record of growth and integration into the high-tech modern world economy. Four decades ago GDP per capita was comparable with levels in the poorer countries of Africa and Asia. Today its GDP per capita is 18 times North Korea’s and equal to the lesser economies of the European Union. This success through the late 1980s was achieved by a system of close government/business ties, including directed credit, import restrictions, sponsorship of specific industries, and a strong labor effort. The government promoted the import of raw materials and technology at the expense of consumer goods and encouraged savings and investment over consumption. The Asian financial crisis of 1997-99 exposed longstanding weaknesses in South Korea’s development model, including high debt/equity ratios, massive foreign borrowing, and an undisciplined financial sector. Growth plunged to a negative 6.6% in 1998, then strongly recovered to 10.8% in 1999 and 9.2% in 2000. Growth fell back to 3.3% in 2001 because of the slowing global economy, falling exports, and the perception that much-needed corporate and financial reforms had stalled. Led by consumer spending and exports, growth in 2002 was an impressive 6.2%, despite anemic global growth, followed by moderate 2.8% growth in 2003. In 2003 the National Assembly approved legislation reducing the six-day work week to five days. GDP: purchasing power parity – $857.8 billion (2004 est.) GDP – real growth rate: 3.1% (2004 est.) GDP – per capita: purchasing power parity – $17,800 (2004 est.) GDP – composition by sector: agriculture: 3.6% industry: 36.4% services: 60% (2004 est.) Investment (gross fixed): 29.6% of GDP (2004 est.) Population below poverty line: 4% (2001 est.) Household income or consumption by percentage share: lowest 10%: 2.9% highest 10%: 22.5% (1999 est.) Distribution of family income – Gini index: 31.6 (1993) Inflation rate (consumer prices): 3.6% (2004 est.) Labor force: 22.92 million (2004 est.) Labor force – by occupation: agriculture 8.8%, industry 19.1%, services 72.1% (2001) Unemployment rate: 3.4% (2004 est.) Budget: revenues: $135.5 billion expenditures: $128.7 billion, including capital expenditures of $23.5 billion (2004 est.) Public debt: 13.8% of GDP (2004 est.) Agriculture – products: rice, root crops, barley, vegetables, fruit; cattle, pigs, chickens, milk, eggs; fish Industries: electronics, telecommunications, automobile production, chemicals, shipbuilding, steel Industrial production growth rate: 5.1% (2004 est.) more on Samsung SEOUL, Dec 28 Asia Pulse – Samsung Group, South Korea’s largest conglomerate, said Tuesday it will increase its investment to 21.2 trillion won (US$20.3 billion) next year, up 15.2 per cent from this year, a senior Samsung official said Tuesday. 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90 Civic CRX/Si Heater fan

admin — Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:00:00 +0000

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>It’s not the switch, it’s the resistor pack on the blower motor.

Gotcha. Just ordered the out of stock resistor pack from local Honda people. $38. Many thanks. Quent

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of tender meat, preferably from the nursery Onions bell peppers Wooden or metal skewers Marinate the meat overnight. Get the grill good and hot while placing meat, vegetables, and fruit such as pineapples or cherries on the skewers. Don?t be afraid to use a variety of meats. Grill to medium rare, serve with garlic cous-cous and saut

changing english to metric

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taboos against swine. 1 large toddler or small child, cleaned and de-headed Kentucky Bourbon Sauce (see index) 1 large can pineapple slices Whole cloves Place him (or ham) or her in a large glass baking dish, buttocks up. Tie with butcher string around and across so that he looks like he?s crawling. Glaze, then arrange pineapples and secure with cloves. Bake uncovered in 350

No power steering?

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bamboo shoots Sherry chicken broth oil for deep frying (1 gallon) Salt pepper soy & teriyaki minced ginger, etc. 1 tablespoon cornstarch dissolved in a little cold water 1 egg beaten Make the stuffing: Marinate the flesh in a mixture of soy and teriyaki sauces then stir fry in hot oil for till brown – about 1 minute, remove. Stir-fry the vegetables. Put the meat back into the wok and adjust the seasoning. De-glaze with sherry, cooking off the alcohol. Add broth (optional) cook a few more minutes. Add the cornstarch, cook a few minutes till thick, then place the stuffing into a colander and cool; 2 hours Wrap the rolls: Place 3 tablespoons of stuffing in the wrap, roll tightly – corner nearest you first, fold 2 side corners in, wrap till remaining corner is left. Brush with egg, seal, and allow to sit on the seal for a few minutes. Fry the rolls: 325

Where is the Oil filter in the 05 Accord I4?

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Yeah, go ahead, change your oil now. Why wait? !00 miles is plenty! And then when you reach the 5000 mile mark and your getting lousy mileage you can blame Honda for selling you a lemon. Because you know better! Yeah, that’s the ticket!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And is it easy to get to? What about the drain plug? I just have a 100 > miles on it now, but I don’t know if I should leave in the oil for 5000 > miles as people have mentioned that Honda has a special ‘break in’ oil or > just to change the oil my self at 1000mi. I don’t think the manual > specifically mentioned that I should do by first oil change not before 5k. > Any suggestions? > thanks

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yeah, go ahead, change your oil now. Why wait? !00 miles is plenty! And then > when you reach the 5000 mile mark and your getting lousy mileage you can > blame Honda for selling you a lemon. Because you know better! > Yeah, that’s the ticket! > And is it easy to get to? What about the drain plug? I just have a 100 > miles on it now, but I don’t know if I should leave in the oil for 5000 > miles as people have mentioned that Honda has a special ‘break in’ oil or > just to change the oil my self at 1000mi. I don’t think the manual > specifically mentioned that I should do by first oil change not before 5k. > Any suggestions? > thanks

WTF are you talking about? The guy said 1,000 miles, not 100 miles. — Bearman If it’s got tits, tires, tubes, or transistors, it’s trouble.

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Why doesn’t he change it every 100 miles? I heard also that if you change your tires every 1000miles, you will get better grip. Why are people overdoing the maintenance on their cars? In the US, it’s 3000miles and for some reason, here in Canada, it’s 3000 kms to change oil?? My book says every 5,000miles/7,500kms when in extreme conditions. Will the extra 2000miles make such a difference in saving your engine’s life? Garages want to make money and are lying to their customers about the 3K mark.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yeah, go ahead, change your oil now. Why wait? !00 miles is plenty! And > then > when you reach the 5000 mile mark and your getting lousy mileage you can > blame Honda for selling you a lemon. Because you know better! > Yeah, that’s the ticket! > > And is it easy to get to? What about the drain plug? I just have a > > 100 > > miles on it now, but I don’t know if I should leave in the oil for 5000 > > miles as people have mentioned that Honda has a special ‘break in’ oil > or > > just to change the oil my self at 1000mi. I don’t think the manual > > specifically mentioned that I should do by first oil change not before > 5k. > > Any suggestions? > > thanks > WTF are you talking about? The guy said 1,000 miles, not 100 miles. > — > Bearman > If it’s got tits, tires, tubes, or transistors, it’s trouble.

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Cuz its a brand new car…i jus wanna get all the machine gunk out…calm down asshole

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why doesn’t he change it every 100 miles? I heard also that if you change > your tires every 1000miles, you will get better grip. > Why are people overdoing the maintenance on their cars? In the US, it’s > 3000miles and for some reason, here in Canada, it’s 3000 kms to change > oil?? My book says every 5,000miles/7,500kms when in extreme conditions. > Will the extra 2000miles make such a difference in saving your engine’s > life? > Garages want to make money and are lying to their customers about the 3K > mark. >> Yeah, go ahead, change your oil now. Why wait? !00 miles is plenty! And > then >> when you reach the 5000 mile mark and your getting lousy mileage you can >> blame Honda for selling you a lemon. Because you know better! >> Yeah, that’s the ticket! >> > And is it easy to get to? What about the drain plug? I just have a >> > 100 >> > miles on it now, but I don’t know if I should leave in the oil for >> > 5000 >> > miles as people have mentioned that Honda has a special ‘break in’ oil > or >> > just to change the oil my self at 1000mi. I don’t think the manual >> > specifically mentioned that I should do by first oil change not before > 5k. >> > Any suggestions? >> > thanks > WTF are you talking about? The guy said 1,000 miles, not 100 miles. > — > Bearman > If it’s got tits, tires, tubes, or transistors, it’s trouble.

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> Cuz its a brand new car…i jus wanna get all the machine gunk out…

its not a 50s flathead ford. there shouldnt be any machine gunk.

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Carnival Victory 2 day

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> I’m trying to be prompt here > We got off the Carnival Victory, for their 2 day cruise to Nowhere out of > Norfolk, Virginia this morning. We live in Northern Virginia, and we > could > not resist a fun cruise weekend that we could drive to.

Julia, thanks for the very interesting review…You covered a lot in 2days! You mentioned that activities were sparse but I’m sure that would be different on a 7day or longer. What a nice way to spend a weekend ! Sounds like you all enjoyed yourselves very much.. Glad to hear such good reports on the food, too. –Jean s very, very nice. I am a hot tub fan, but the one I went in was ver – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hot indeed. We keep ours at home around 104 degrees, and this was hotter > than that. > The lounges were nice, standouts were the Ionian lounge, done in a greek > theme > with lots of greek vases. It was the site of the tea, but it was also the > "Cigar lounge" so I tended to avoid it at night. The Caribbean lounge was > great also, and we were there both nights for well-attended Karaoke. The > show > lounge was nice, also, with good sightlines from both the floor, and the > balconies. > The Lido deck was a standout with three pools (yes, one designated for > adults) > six hot tubs. One of the pools is in an area called windows, near the > Pizza- > ria which is more or less enclosed, with a retractable roof. This area is > very > nicely designed and a pretty place to be, with a medeterranian touch, > which > I liked very much. > Activities: > This cruise was a bit sparse in the activity department from my point of > view, > which may have reflected the northern nature of it. No wine or liquor > tastings > or meaningful dance classes (the "Austin Powers" dance class does not > count). > There was a hairy chest contest, which my son (who has a very hairy chest) > participated in and thought it was a hoot, and the usual newleywed game, > so > I guess there was really quite a bit. My kids, in their 20s thought the > activities were great, and I filled in the time playing blackjack. > Art auctions and bingo sessions were not as heavily hawked as on other > ships > I have been on. Nor were photos as agressivly marketed, although the > videotape > of the cruise was. The casino had slots and blackjack tournaments, and > there > was a full complement of evening entertainment, with two excellent > production > shows "Vegas" style (which appears to mean done while wearing thongs most > of > the time). I never did see the cruise director, which may have been > because of > the size of the ship, but he was not at the production shows. The shows, > while > very well done, were not as good as NCLs. The other major entertainment > was > a late night comedian, which I missed, being somewhat used to going to > sleep > early (though we were up until almost 2 the first night). > I must say that although activities seemed sparse to Me, they would have > been > just fine for a first time cruiser, which is really their market on this > kind > of ship. I did retain the daily listings. > Musicians on the ship were uniformly good and interesting. the Caribbean > band > was a little loud. The classical trip was wonderful, and played Strauss > walzes, which my son and I danced to. I was unable to hear the jazz > group, > as they played in the Ionian during the hours it was a cigar bar, and I > cannot > stand cigar smoke. (I was glad to see that smoking was limited on the > ship, > and passengers adhered to those limitations, so I was glad there was a > cigar > bar, I just did nto go there when it was such. It did not smell of cigars > when > it was used for tea.) > Tips: > We prepaid tips, and then gave extra to the waitress and assistant. We > never > even knew who our cabin steward was, though he kept the cabin clearn and > even > left us a towel lobster (my first towel animal) he also neglected to push > our > beds together (we did it ourselves). If you ahd not prepaid tips, they > were > taken out automatically. I think that is a good idea when you are talking > about a cruise like this where many, many people are first time cruisers. > Disembarkation: > It was too soon. 2 days isn’t nearly enought, though it was a very very > fun > weekend. It was exceptionally smooth, largely I think due to the fact that > we > had not gone to any port at all, so customs was not too concerned with the > little bit of duty free shopping we might have done on the ship, and > everone > was carrying their own bags. No porters, and we all left quickly as we > were > ready. > Summation: > This was a fun weekend and a great value for the money at less than $200 > per > person. Having tried Carnival, I would be open to travelling on them > again, > given the right itinerary, although they would not be my first choice. My > children, in their 20s, both liked Carnival a lot, and my daughter (the > youngest) rated them better than Royal Caribbean. They did like the > younger > crowd, which may have been due to the length of the cruise. This was a > fun, > enjoyable, all too short weekend. > I would have liked to be on this trip in warmer climate. > This is quite a long review for quite a short trip. It will be up shortly > on my web page with pictures. > — > Julie > Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at > http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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> glad to hear you had fun .. we were on the victory on 10/10/04 the 6 day cruise > .. we had alot of fun …but this was our 3rd out of norfolk 1st was on the > triumph the 2nd and 3rd on the victory and we have already been to the travel > agent to book for there 10/9/05 cruise on the triumph again .. > yes in around two years the port should be bigger .. but we get there early and > by 12.00 we are unpacked and ready to enjoy we have found if you are not > rushing to get on and just chat with people while waiting it is not so bad > we cant wiat till the next one on 10/9/05

We won’t be taking it next year, the prices are just too high, and we are hoping to cruise out of Alaska in 2006 and are saving our pennies for that. I also like the 9-11 day Holland America itineraries out of Norfolk, and when we can afford it. I agree about getting there early. We left the shops in Williamsburg at about 10:45, thinking we were doing just that. But the traffic was so bad (next time we’ll take 664 instead of 64.) that we did not get to the parking lot until around 12:30. We did chat with folks and it did not hurt our mood, but compared to Miami it was very time-consuming. — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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Juliana, Glad you liked this little cruise. The CCL Victory back in 11/01 was my first cruise with a balcony and 60+ family and friends. We did a 7 day Western itinerary. I have not been on CCL since because I prefer HAL and Princess. However, I would not hesitate to go on the Victory again if it was the right situation. Steve Hayes

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> This was a fun weekend and a great value for the money at less than > $200 per person. Having tried Carnival, I would be open to > travelling on them again, given the right itinerary, although they > would not be my first choice.

Juliana, most short cruises are full of people who like to drink and gamble, so I am pleased that your cruise was not a total disaster. I am glad you gave Carnival a try. Becca <—–the Spirit class ships is my favorite… Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/ Miracle in May http://www.cruisemaster.com/miracle.htm

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Living a short 2 hour drive from the NYC area I have been tempted to try a 2-day weekend cruise to nowhere. However your description of the embarkation ‘nightmare’ is one reason for me not booking one of these. Too short of time to have to go thru all that! Also when doing pricing comparisons a cruise to nowhere is not all that cheap…I did the Voyager of the Seas 5-day to Nova Scotia for about what it would have cost for a Carnival cruise to nowhere. Even though I was not thrilled about cruising to Canada at least it was longer and we did have 2 port calls. In any event you did post a good review of the ship. Thanks! Len…

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glad to hear you had fun .. we were on the victory on 10/10/04 the 6 day cruise .. we had alot of fun …but this was our 3rd out of norfolk 1st was on the triumph the 2nd and 3rd on the victory and we have already been to the travel agent to book for there 10/9/05 cruise on the triumph again .. yes in around two years the port should be bigger .. but we get there early and by 12.00 we are unpacked and ready to enjoy we have found if you are not rushing to get on and just chat with people while waiting it is not so bad we cant wiat till the next one on 10/9/05

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> Julia, thanks for the very interesting review…You covered a lot in 2days! > You mentioned that activities were sparse but I’m sure that would be > different on a 7day or longer.

I agree. Also, they were a tad sparse for me, but I will assure you that my children did not agree with me, the 20 year old thought Carnival was just her speed. > What a nice way to spend a weekend ! Sounds like you all enjoyed yourselves > very much.

We did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Glad to hear such good reports on the food, too. > –Jean > s very, very nice. I am a hot tub fan, but the one I went in was ver > hot indeed. We keep ours at home around 104 degrees, and this was hotter > than that. > The lounges were nice, standouts were the Ionian lounge, done in a greek > theme > with lots of greek vases. It was the site of the tea, but it was also the > "Cigar lounge" so I tended to avoid it at night. The Caribbean lounge was > great also, and we were there both nights for well-attended Karaoke. The > show > lounge was nice, also, with good sightlines from both the floor, and the > balconies. > The Lido deck was a standout with three pools (yes, one designated for > adults) > six hot tubs. One of the pools is in an area called windows, near the > Pizza- > ria which is more or less enclosed, with a retractable roof. This area is > very > nicely designed and a pretty place to be, with a medeterranian touch, > which > I liked very much. > Activities: > This cruise was a bit sparse in the activity department from my point of > view, > which may have reflected the northern nature of it. No wine or liquor > tastings > or meaningful dance classes (the "Austin Powers" dance class does not > count). > There was a hairy chest contest, which my son (who has a very hairy chest) > participated in and thought it was a hoot, and the usual newleywed game, > so > I guess there was really quite a bit. My kids, in their 20s thought the > activities were great, and I filled in the time playing blackjack. > Art auctions and bingo sessions were not as heavily hawked as on other > ships > I have been on. Nor were photos as agressivly marketed, although the > videotape > of the cruise was. The casino had slots and blackjack tournaments, and > there > was a full complement of evening entertainment, with two excellent > production > shows "Vegas" style (which appears to mean done while wearing thongs most > of > the time). I never did see the cruise director, which may have been > because of > the size of the ship, but he was not at the production shows. The shows, > while > very well done, were not as good as NCLs. The other major entertainment > was > a late night comedian, which I missed, being somewhat used to going to > sleep > early (though we were up until almost 2 the first night). > I must say that although activities seemed sparse to Me, they would have > been > just fine for a first time cruiser, which is really their market on this > kind > of ship. I did retain the daily listings. > Musicians on the ship were uniformly good and interesting. the Caribbean > band > was a little loud. The classical trip was wonderful, and played Strauss > walzes, which my son and I danced to. I was unable to hear the jazz > group, > as they played in the Ionian during the hours it was a cigar bar, and I > cannot > stand cigar smoke. (I was glad to see that smoking was limited on the > ship, > and passengers adhered to those limitations, so I was glad there was a > cigar > bar, I just did nto go there when it was such. It did not smell of cigars > when > it was used for tea.) > Tips: > We prepaid tips, and then gave extra to the waitress and assistant. We > never > even knew who our cabin steward was, though he kept the cabin clearn and > even > left us a towel lobster (my first towel animal) he also neglected to push > our > beds together (we did it ourselves). If you ahd not prepaid tips, they > were > taken out automatically. I think that is a good idea when you are talking > about a cruise like this where many, many people are first time cruisers. > Disembarkation: > It was too soon. 2 days isn’t nearly enought, though it was a very very > fun > weekend. It was exceptionally smooth, largely I think due to the fact that > we > had not gone to any port at all, so customs was not too concerned with the > little bit of duty free shopping we might have done on the ship, and > everone > was carrying their own bags. No porters, and we all left quickly as we > were > ready. > Summation: > This was a fun weekend and a great value for the money at less than $200 > per > person. Having tried Carnival, I would be open to travelling on them > again, > given the right itinerary, although they would not be my first choice. My > children, in their 20s, both liked Carnival a lot, and my daughter (the > youngest) rated them better than Royal Caribbean. They did like the > younger > crowd, which may have been due to the length of the cruise. This was a > fun, > enjoyable, all too short weekend. > I would have liked to be on this trip in warmer climate. > This is quite a long review for quite a short trip. It will be up shortly > on my web page with pictures. > — > Julie > Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at > http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

– Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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Nice review, Julie. I’ve been on the Victory 3 times, and very much like that ship. Howie

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Sounds like a fun week end Julie. Nice to get away even for a week-end SUNNY S’nd I XXX

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> Sounds like a fun week end Julie. Nice to get away even for a week-end

It was. It seemed silly at first to do a 2 day, but we have done many other weekend trips. It was close and inexpensive, and we’re terribly glad we did. It was, after all, not as if we did this instead of a 7 day. No. Our next weeklong cruise will not be till 2006 Alaska, our trip this year to Italy made sure of that. But the weekend was a nice spot in a dry spell. — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm

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I’m trying to be prompt here We got off the Carnival Victory, for their 2 day cruise to Nowhere out of Norfolk, Virginia this morning. We live in Northern Virginia, and we could not resist a fun cruise weekend that we could drive to. Here’s my review: This was our fourth cruise, first on Carnival (others on NCL and RCCL). It was our kids’ second cruise. We decided to sign up for this cruise and take two of our adult children over a year ahead. The real draw was the price for the cheapie rooms (a 1A for my kids and a 4A for us.) and the proximity, as we live in Virginia and could drive to the port. It looked like a fun weekend. Carnival runs these cruises to nowhere several times a year out of Norfolk and New York at least. Embarkation: Was terrible. Lines, Lines, Lines. Norfolk does NOT know how to embark a big mega ship, and some 3,000 people slows everything up. It did not help that this given Saturday there were a number of big events on the Norfolk waterfront. We left my in-laws’ home in Williamsburg, VA at about 10, stopped for 45 minutes or so at the nearby outlet shops to pick up a couple of things we’d left behind then headed for Norfolk, into total gridlock. It must have taken us an hour to get to and through the tunnel. Once at the parking lot, (Carival parks you about a mile away, $20 for the weekend, then shuttles you to the boat. There is NOT enough room at the dock for people to even be left off) there was a sizeable line for the shuttle busses to take us to the port (It possibly could have been walked but it was a significant walk, especially with luggage. Once at the port there was another line which snaked all over the place to security. That one was about an hour long and outside, and it deposited you at yet another line, where we waited for a while to get sail and sign cards, then another line, still to actually get on the ship (although the last one, picture included, was less than 10 minutes.) So by 3:30 we were aboard, found our rooms (both on the Riviera deck or first floor). Quick note. Some one at breakfast this morning told me that Norfolk is going to put in a proper cruise terminal. I hope so. The convenience of leaving from here is powerful and in a couple years I’d be very interested in cruising again from here, given proper facilities and an interesting itinerary. Rooms: Carnival boasts larger rooms than other cruise lines, and the bottom-of the line rooms were larger (especially the 1A which my kids shared, which was a porthole cabin.) However, there was not sufficient difference between the 185 square foot rooms on Carnival and the 144s on Norwegian or even the 118s on Royal Caribbean. The 1A was very nice though, with the second bunk over a couch and a nice area near the portholes. I think it was actually larger than the 4A. All in all, though, it was the typical low end cruise stateroom; efficient bath, twin beds that can be pushed together (they don’t actually make them up as a double, which I felt to be a negative compared to other lines). the desk and sitting space is somewhat more than on previous lines, and this is where we felt the extra space. Bathroom and closets are a wonder of efficiency; there were lots of cabinets and hanging racks, and the drawers were outside of the closets, which left lots of room in the closets. The storage would support well a weeklong cruise. Food: After unpacking, we headed for a light snack. We had not eaten any lunch, planning to eat on the ship, but a three hour delay after when we had hoped to board, we were concerned about spoiling dinner. So, having heard so much about Carnival’s pizza we chose to try out the pizza. It is reputed to be the best on the seas and I believe it. We tried pepperoni, garden vegetable, mushroom and goat cheese and margharita pizza and all were excellent. We had only one or two slices and some iced tea/lemonaide to drink with it, then enjoyed some tropical drinks (Sail Away Specials) which we bought in plastic souvenir glasses. We ate a total of 6 meals on ship, dinner every night in the dining room (which we all enjoy) one breakfast in the Lido buffet, one in the dining room, and a lunch in the pizzaria and one in the Lido buffet. All of the food ranged from very good to excellent. We also went to tea on Sunday, which I’ll cover in t the activities section. Buffet food is particularly good, with a very nice salad bar, a good selection of buffet food and a separate chinese food window and separate deli window. I particularly enjoyed the polenta with ratatouille, as I am a vegetarian. But it was all very tasty. At breakfast they had 4 omlette stations, melons, grapefruit, hot and cold cereals, yogurt as well as the usual buffet stuff, scrambeled eggs, various breakfast meats, hash browns, and many pastries. Dining room dinners are set up as four courses, with appetizers and soups together. They were very flexible of course, and when I preferred an appetizer and soup over one of those and salad, they accomodated me. Standout dishes included the duet of lamb, which my husband and son chose, the vegetable curry which I had the first night, and the roast beef. I understand the quail was good. The lobster was tasty, but was of course, frozen lobster tail. Our waitstaff was good especially the assistant waitress, who even on a two day cruise remembered that I was a vegetarian, remembered our end of meal coffee orders and greeted us in the Lido at breakfast. Her name was Lina, and I cannot remember the name of our main waitress. They appeared to have pizza and ice cream/yogurt 24 hours, and a buffet both nights from 11:30 to 1 AM. Public Space: I’d expected glaring decor and was pleasantly surprised to find the Carnival decor just fine. There are a lot of lights; just about everything seems to be lined in them. The tall atrium is impressive, but not as impressive as the Norwegian Dawn was. We had some trouble finding our way back to front, which I attribute to the shortness of the cruise. It’s usually by the second day that I settle into a cruise, and in this case that was when I was leaving~! There were a couple decks that did not go front to back, or only did so via an empty dining room, which was awkward. It was difficult to find the Pacific dining room (although the Atlantic was fine.) The casino was very crowded. I don’t know if that was usual or just this crowd. In general there were more lines than I am used to and more crowds just about everywhere. I think with a 2 day no one spent much time in their cabin at all. There were 7 hot tubs, so that was one area which was never fully crowded, which was very, very nice. I am a hot tub fan, but the one I went in was ver hot indeed. We keep ours at home around 104 degrees, and this was hotter than that. The lounges were nice, standouts were the Ionian lounge, done in a greek theme with lots of greek vases. It was the site of the tea, but it was also the "Cigar lounge" so I tended to avoid it at night. The Caribbean lounge was great also, and we were there both nights for well-attended Karaoke. The show lounge was nice, also, with good sightlines from both the floor, and the balconies. The Lido deck was a standout with three pools (yes, one designated for adults) six hot tubs. One of the pools is in an area called windows, near the Pizza- ria which is more or less enclosed, with a retractable roof. This area is very nicely designed and a pretty place to be, with a medeterranian touch, which I liked very much. Activities: This cruise was a bit sparse in the activity department from my point of view, which may have reflected the northern nature of it. No wine or liquor tastings or meaningful dance classes (the "Austin Powers" dance class does not count). There was a hairy chest contest, which my son (who has a very hairy chest) participated in and thought it was a hoot, and the usual newleywed game, so I guess there was really quite a bit. My kids, in their 20s thought the activities were great, and I filled in the time playing blackjack. Art auctions and bingo sessions were not as heavily hawked as on other ships I have been on. Nor were photos as agressivly marketed, although the videotape of the cruise was. The casino had slots and blackjack tournaments, and there was a full complement of evening entertainment, with two excellent production shows "Vegas" style (which appears to mean done while wearing thongs most of the time). I never did see the cruise director, which may have been because of the size of the ship, but he was not at the production shows. The shows, while very well done, were not as good as NCLs. The other major entertainment was a late night comedian, which I missed, being somewhat used to going to sleep early (though we were up until almost 2 the first night). I must say that although activities seemed sparse to Me, they would have been just fine for a first time cruiser, which is really their market on this kind of ship. I did retain the daily listings. Musicians on the ship were uniformly good and interesting. the Caribbean band was a little loud. The classical trip was wonderful, and played Strauss walzes, which my son and I danced to. I was unable to hear the jazz group, as they played in the Ionian during the hours it was a cigar bar, and I cannot stand cigar smoke. (I was glad to see that smoking was limited on the ship, and passengers adhered to those limitations, so I was glad there was a cigar bar, I just did nto go there when it was such. It did not smell of cigars when it was used for tea.) Tips: We prepaid tips, and then gave extra to the waitress and assistant. We never even knew who our cabin steward was, though he kept the cabin clearn and even left us a towel lobster (my first towel animal) he also neglected to push our beds together (we did it ourselves). … read more »

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Nice review, Julie. I’ve been on the Victory 3 times, and very much like that ship. Howie

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Sounds like a fun week end Julie. Nice to get away even for a week-end SUNNY S’nd I XXX

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> Sounds like a fun week end Julie. Nice to get away even for a week-end

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> Julia, thanks for the very interesting review…You covered a lot in 2days! > You mentioned that activities were sparse but I’m sure that would be > different on a 7day or longer.

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