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Unethical practices in m.t.a-i – Beware!

Question:

> Wow!  Where does he find all the time to come up with all these

One has to wonder how Nomen Nescio (Mike) has the time to track JF!

Response:

>> If you don’t want to visit misc.travel.air-industry, don’t visit it. > However, we’re seeing substantial traffic on the site from people > who appreciate a moderated site without the off-topic garbage found > elsewhere. >Exactly.  What the heck is wrong having a travel site  which actually >stays with that topic?   And if your post to r.t.a also gets posted to >the m.t.a-i site, consider it a complement.  It is not like >contributions never see cross posting.

I don’t know where you are seeing "substantial traffic" in m.t.a.i. I subscribe to it and I check daily. There has been one message in two days. You are wrong on your rationalization of cross-posting. If I send a message to RTA then I don’t expect it to be crossposted to MTAI JUST to create more traffic in MTAI.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > road and took a dump, in plain view for all to see: >> This is dishonest in the extreme.  First, there is no "substantial" >> traffic.  Just a trickle of messages.  On some days there are no >> messages at all. >Look Nomen. If you want any respect, stop posting through dizum. > Ahaaahaaahaahaahaahaa!!! > You lecturing others on respect and how to post is the funniest irony > ever, especially in light of these very "respectful" aliases you were > caught using to troll rec.travel.air, sci.space.shuttle, and various > other groups:

Wow!  Where does he find all the time to come up with all these — Best Greg

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> J.F., in all honesty, you really aren’t in a position to play that >> card. You were posting here under a goofy synonym that everyone knew >Has it ever occured to you that there was and still is a very good reason to >use a goofy name ? Think Nomen Nescio. > My point was and always has been using a stupid nickname when > everybody knows who you are accomplishes nothing. If people want to > keep bringing certain things up, which is their prerogative in a > public forum, then they will no matter how creative or uncreative your > handle is. >I wish that one day he/they update their scripts to also harass and stalk you. >You’ll find youself using similar tactics very quickly. And if you are unhappy >about my "nobody", then be fair and apply your criticism to all others who use >a non descript nickname. There are plenty fo people who use this where you can >in fact know their real identity. > Like it or not, operating on a public forum exposes a person to > ridicule. That has nothing to do with me or anyone else — it’s just > the way life is. >Remember that the dizum server and their ilk allow (and often condone) the >forging of identities. And consider the implications of this in tye long term, >especially when you have morons likep Greg Morrow whose sole purpose on the >newsgroups is to quote verbatim Nomen’s vomit so that it gets indexed into Google. >Just because you dislike me doesn’t mean that you have to support the Nomens. > I don’t have a personal dislike for you. I have an intense dislike for > your hatred of the U.S. and your inability to see the fact that Canada > and Europe, and the vast majority of the civilized world, have done > their share of crap too.

Well wow, I am honored to see that the cretin JF Mezei thinks I am behind his little "conspiracies"…I guess sending those stealth helicopters hovering over his mommy’s house did *some* good…lol. — Best Greg

Response:

[blah blah blah SNIP!] >Nobody else gives a damn whether or not you like or trust moderated sites.

Obviously YOU do, since you responded with that long-winded JFesque tirade. Maybe Levine will make you feel better by plundering a few more messages from rta to create some more artificial traffic for m.t.a-i.

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> If you don’t want to visit misc.travel.air-industry, don’t visit it. > However, we’re seeing substantial traffic on the site from people > who appreciate a moderated site without the off-topic garbage found > elsewhere.

Exactly.  What the heck is wrong having a travel site  which actually stays with that topic?   And if your post to r.t.a also gets posted to the m.t.a-i site, consider it a complement.  It is not like contributions never see cross posting.

Response:

road and took a dump, in plain view for all to see: > This is dishonest in the extreme.  First, there is no "substantial" > traffic.  Just a trickle of messages.  On some days there are no > messages at all. >Look Nomen. If you want any respect, stop posting through dizum.

Ahaaahaaahaahaahaahaa!!! You lecturing others on respect and how to post is the funniest irony ever, especially in light of these very "respectful" aliases you were caught using to troll rec.travel.air, sci.space.shuttle, and various other groups:

Response:

defecated: > J.F., in all honesty, you really aren’t in a position to play that > card. You were posting here under a goofy synonym that everyone knew >Has it ever occured to you that there was and still is a very good reason to >use a goofy name ? Think Nomen Nescio.  Boo-hoo!!!  Nomen doesn’t like me! >Boo-hoo-hooo!!!  I should be free to troll the newsgroups 24 hours a >day as I see >fit without anyone embarassing me!!!  That Nomen is making fun of me and it >hurts my feelings!  Waaaaahhh!!!!  Wait till it happens to you!  Waawaawahhh!!! >Nomen Nomen Nomen, my life is miserable because Nomen won’t let me troll!!!

Hey JF, idiot, have you ever noticed that all this "stalking" (convenient victim word you like to use to feed your all-consuming paranoia) you claim happens is really only happening to you and one other person?  Have you ever wondered why it never happens to 99% of the other people who post here, many of whom post using their real names??? If you’d stop masturbating and using illegal drugs you might notice that you and that other idiot, who is as big a troll and netkook as you, are the only ones singled out. See?  Masturbation really DOES make you go blind. Think about it – with the 1 brain cell you may have left.

Response:

> Do you think we are paid each time somebody visits > misc.travel.air-industry? > Frankly, misc.travel.air-industry was revived to offer an alternative to > this site without the spam and off-topic stuff. > And John Levine, JF Mezei, and I post there under our own names.

So do I. Jeff, he must be jealous–you know what they say about crabs in the pot.

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>However, we’re seeing substantial traffic on the site from people who >appreciate a moderated site

This is dishonest in the extreme.  First, there is no "substantial" traffic.  Just a trickle of messages.  On some days there are no messages at all. Second, 95% of the messages are generated by you, Mezei, and Levine – the moderators. Third, a good number of those are messages you three poach from rec.travel.air. How can anyone trust such dishonest individuals, especially when they are the *moderators*?!?

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> This is dishonest in the extreme.  First, there is no "substantial" > traffic.  Just a trickle of messages.  On some days there are no > messages at all.

Look Nomen. If you want any respect, stop posting through dizum.  If you’re unhappy about dizum being blocked from moderated newsgroups, you have only yourself and all your friends  to blame since you are the ones who have abused and misused dizum. Rebuilding misc.transport.air-industry won’t happen overnight.  Luckily, sci.aeronautics, airliners is also being rescussitated and together, we may be able to rebuild participation levels. It also requires work to ensure major news services have the right configuration for the moderated newsgroup, and working out the software kinks that prevents many legitimate posters from contributing.

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>> This is dishonest in the extreme.  First, there is no "substantial" > traffic.  Just a trickle of messages.  On some days there are no > messages at all. >Look Nomen. If you want any respect, stop posting through dizum.  If you’re >unhappy about dizum being blocked from moderated newsgroups, you have only >yourself and all your friends  to blame since you are the ones who have abused >and misused dizum.

Idiot. I have no desire to post in your stupid little group.  I don’t post in moderated groups, period.  I don’t trust them, I don’t trust moderators, and I would never EVER trust any group that would choose YOU as a moderator. I’m simply doing this to alert others who might not know what is going on. And for you, possibly the biggest troll and netkook in the history of usenet, to be lecturing others on respect and how to post appropriately is just insane beyond words.  But then, it’s coming from you, and nothing is too insane when it comes to you.  After reading your rabid, foaming at the mouth paranoid rants and tirades against the USA for years, and the rest of your off the wall conspiracy theories, which you post 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, year after year after year, there is nothing one wouldn’t believe about you, or be shocked by if it has to do with you.  To say that you are psychotic would be the biggest understatement in the world. Hope this helps. Now fuck off and die, kook.

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> J.F., in all honesty, you really aren’t in a position to play that > card. You were posting here under a goofy synonym that everyone knew

Has it ever occured to you that there was and still is a very good reason to use a goofy name ? Think Nomen Nescio. I wish that one day he/they update their scripts to also harass and stalk you. You’ll find youself using similar tactics very quickly. And if you are unhappy about my "nobody", then be fair and apply your criticism to all others who use a non descript nickname. There are plenty fo people who use this where you can in fact know their real identity. Remember that the dizum server and their ilk allow (and often condone) the forging of identities. And consider the implications of this in tye long term, especially when you have morons likep Greg Morrow whose sole purpose on the newsgroups is to quote verbatim Nomen’s vomit so that it gets indexed into Google. Just because you dislike me doesn’t mean that you have to support the Nomens. > just because you started getting a rough reception. At least you’ve > stopped that now, which may help you build some credibility.

I have not stopped. Not until the Nomens stop harassing and stalking me. Unlike the Nomens, I do not stalk, harass people, nor do I forge other poster’s email adresses nor do I cross post stuff users say to many newsgroups. If anyone has any criticism, it should be directed to the Nomens.

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[snip] > Idiot. > I have no desire to post in your stupid little group.  I don’t post in > moderated groups, period.  I don’t trust them, I don’t trust > moderators, and I would never EVER trust any group that would choose > YOU as a moderator. > I’m simply doing this to alert others who might not know what is going > on.

[snip] There. you’ve said it (from behind your anonymous posting service).  You don’t post in moderated groups.  You don’t trust moderators.  That’s your privilege.  But you have no problem with your comments here which really have nothing to do with rec.travel.air, and you’re obviously reading misc.transport.air-industry enough to make a judgment about the postings on that site. A moderated site will always have fewer postings than an unmoderated one. misc.transport.air-industry is doing quite well with postings now, and we hope it will grow.  If you want to visit the site, great.  If not, that’s your business.  Nobody else gives a damn whether or not you like or trust moderated sites.

Response:

Posters in rec.travel.air should be aware: Your posts are being stolen and replied to in misc.transport.air-industry without notifying you. This unethical practice is being perpetrated by the moderators of m.t.a-i because they want to increase traffic in their group since no one is posting there.  The biggest perpetrator of these unethical practices is John R. Levine, the one whose "Moderator coordination and support is graciously provided by".  Shame on him, he should know better. Ask yourself: How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup whose moderation coordinator pulls that kind of crap. How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where one of the moderators is *JF MEZEI*??? How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where another one of the moderators is Jeff Hacker?  Jeff Hacker is an ardent Bushite who is quick to flame any poster on RTA who expresses a political view he disagrees with and is quick to call for a moderated newsgroup yet at the same time is most happy to push his own neo-con views on others and spread false political propaganda and outright lies. How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where you do not have a full list of all the moderators, a newsgroup FAQ, or a clear policy statement on who will be reviewing your posts and what the criteria is for approving or rejecting them. If some mysterious force still manages to compel you to post there, at the very least ask for four things before you do: 1) A regularly posted list to the newsgroup of ALL the moderators with their e-mail addresses (of their real ISPs, not some free web-based throwaway account) and their policies for disciplining/removing moderators who act inappropriately.  If they don’t have these policies in place, ask to have them written up and posted with a pledge that they will be enforced! before you begin posting to the newsgroup. 2) A newsgroup FAQ regularly posted to the newsgroup. 3) A clear statement regularly posted to the newsgroup of what the policies are for accepting or rejecting posts and if there is an appeal process for rejected messages. 4) A clear statement regularly posted to the newsgroup on what the policies are for banning people from posting in the group and if there is an appeal process. The vast majority of usenet posters hate moderated groups, and for good reason.  Moderated newsgroups (and their web counterparts, forums) tend to be heavily censored and run by Nazi moderators and petty little dictators who love to lord it over others.  Most moderators are highly biased and act in a very inconsistent manner, especially when rejecting/deleting messages and banning posters, despite their claims to the contrary. If you still must post in a moderated newsgroup, at least ask for clear policies and FAQs and demand full ACCOUTABILITY and RESPONSIBILITY from the moderators.

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Do you think we are paid each time somebody visits misc.travel.air-industry? Frankly, misc.travel.air-industry was revived to offer an alternative to this site without the spam and off-topic stuff. And John Levine, JF Mezei, and I post there under our own names. Also, with your inane comments about our opinions and politics (which you also won’t see mentioned on that site), did you ever stop and think that we (the moderators) don’t necessarily agree on much in that arena?  JF Mezei associating with an "ardent Bushite???" If you don’t want to visit misc.travel.air-industry, don’t visit it. However, we’re seeing substantial traffic on the site from people who appreciate a moderated site without the off-topic garbage found elsewhere. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Posters in rec.travel.air should be aware: > Your posts are being stolen and replied to in > misc.transport.air-industry without notifying you. > This unethical practice is being perpetrated by the moderators of > m.t.a-i because they want to increase traffic in their group since no > one is posting there.  The biggest perpetrator of these unethical > practices is John R. Levine, the one whose "Moderator coordination and > support is graciously provided by".  Shame on him, he should know > better. > Ask yourself: > How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup whose moderation > coordinator pulls that kind of crap. > How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where one of the > moderators is *JF MEZEI*??? > How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where another one of > the moderators is Jeff Hacker?  Jeff Hacker is an ardent Bushite who > is quick to flame any poster on RTA who expresses a political view he > disagrees with and is quick to call for a moderated newsgroup yet at > the same time is most happy to push his own neo-con views on others > and spread false political propaganda and outright lies. > How much would you trust a moderated newsgroup where you do not have a > full list of all the moderators, a newsgroup FAQ, or a clear policy > statement on who will be reviewing your posts and what the criteria is > for approving or rejecting them. > If some mysterious force still manages to compel you to post there, at > the very least ask for four things before you do: > 1) A regularly posted list to the newsgroup of ALL the moderators with > their e-mail addresses (of their real ISPs, not some free web-based > throwaway account) and their policies for disciplining/removing > moderators who act inappropriately.  If they don’t have these policies > in place, ask to have them written up and posted with a pledge that > they will be enforced! before you begin posting to the newsgroup. > 2) A newsgroup FAQ regularly posted to the newsgroup. > 3) A clear statement regularly posted to the newsgroup of what the > policies are for accepting or > rejecting posts and if there is an appeal process for rejected > messages. > 4) A clear statement regularly posted to the newsgroup on what the > policies are for banning people from posting in the group and if there > is an appeal process. > The vast majority of usenet posters hate moderated groups, and for > good reason.  Moderated newsgroups (and their web counterparts, > forums) tend to be heavily censored and run by Nazi moderators and > petty little dictators who love to lord it over others.  Most > moderators are highly biased and act in a very inconsistent manner, > especially when rejecting/deleting messages and banning posters, > despite their claims to the contrary. > If you still must post in a moderated newsgroup, at least ask for > clear policies and FAQs and demand full ACCOUTABILITY and > RESPONSIBILITY from the moderators.

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