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> I’m trying to be prompt here > We got off the Carnival Victory, for their 2 day cruise to Nowhere out of > Norfolk, Virginia this morning. We live in Northern Virginia, and we > could > not resist a fun cruise weekend that we could drive to.
Julia, thanks for the very interesting review…You covered a lot in 2days! You mentioned that activities were sparse but I’m sure that would be different on a 7day or longer. What a nice way to spend a weekend ! Sounds like you all enjoyed yourselves very much.. Glad to hear such good reports on the food, too. –Jean s very, very nice. I am a hot tub fan, but the one I went in was ver – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hot indeed. We keep ours at home around 104 degrees, and this was hotter > than that. > The lounges were nice, standouts were the Ionian lounge, done in a greek > theme > with lots of greek vases. It was the site of the tea, but it was also the > "Cigar lounge" so I tended to avoid it at night. The Caribbean lounge was > great also, and we were there both nights for well-attended Karaoke. The > show > lounge was nice, also, with good sightlines from both the floor, and the > balconies. > The Lido deck was a standout with three pools (yes, one designated for > adults) > six hot tubs. One of the pools is in an area called windows, near the > Pizza- > ria which is more or less enclosed, with a retractable roof. This area is > very > nicely designed and a pretty place to be, with a medeterranian touch, > which > I liked very much. > Activities: > This cruise was a bit sparse in the activity department from my point of > view, > which may have reflected the northern nature of it. No wine or liquor > tastings > or meaningful dance classes (the "Austin Powers" dance class does not > count). > There was a hairy chest contest, which my son (who has a very hairy chest) > participated in and thought it was a hoot, and the usual newleywed game, > so > I guess there was really quite a bit. My kids, in their 20s thought the > activities were great, and I filled in the time playing blackjack. > Art auctions and bingo sessions were not as heavily hawked as on other > ships > I have been on. Nor were photos as agressivly marketed, although the > videotape > of the cruise was. The casino had slots and blackjack tournaments, and > there > was a full complement of evening entertainment, with two excellent > production > shows "Vegas" style (which appears to mean done while wearing thongs most > of > the time). I never did see the cruise director, which may have been > because of > the size of the ship, but he was not at the production shows. The shows, > while > very well done, were not as good as NCLs. The other major entertainment > was > a late night comedian, which I missed, being somewhat used to going to > sleep > early (though we were up until almost 2 the first night). > I must say that although activities seemed sparse to Me, they would have > been > just fine for a first time cruiser, which is really their market on this > kind > of ship. I did retain the daily listings. > Musicians on the ship were uniformly good and interesting. the Caribbean > band > was a little loud. The classical trip was wonderful, and played Strauss > walzes, which my son and I danced to. I was unable to hear the jazz > group, > as they played in the Ionian during the hours it was a cigar bar, and I > cannot > stand cigar smoke. (I was glad to see that smoking was limited on the > ship, > and passengers adhered to those limitations, so I was glad there was a > cigar > bar, I just did nto go there when it was such. It did not smell of cigars > when > it was used for tea.) > Tips: > We prepaid tips, and then gave extra to the waitress and assistant. We > never > even knew who our cabin steward was, though he kept the cabin clearn and > even > left us a towel lobster (my first towel animal) he also neglected to push > our > beds together (we did it ourselves). If you ahd not prepaid tips, they > were > taken out automatically. I think that is a good idea when you are talking > about a cruise like this where many, many people are first time cruisers. > Disembarkation: > It was too soon. 2 days isn’t nearly enought, though it was a very very > fun > weekend. It was exceptionally smooth, largely I think due to the fact that > we > had not gone to any port at all, so customs was not too concerned with the > little bit of duty free shopping we might have done on the ship, and > everone > was carrying their own bags. No porters, and we all left quickly as we > were > ready. > Summation: > This was a fun weekend and a great value for the money at less than $200 > per > person. Having tried Carnival, I would be open to travelling on them > again, > given the right itinerary, although they would not be my first choice. My > children, in their 20s, both liked Carnival a lot, and my daughter (the > youngest) rated them better than Royal Caribbean. They did like the > younger > crowd, which may have been due to the length of the cruise. This was a > fun, > enjoyable, all too short weekend. > I would have liked to be on this trip in warmer climate. > This is quite a long review for quite a short trip. It will be up shortly > on my web page with pictures. > — > Julie > Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at > http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
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> glad to hear you had fun .. we were on the victory on 10/10/04 the 6 day cruise > .. we had alot of fun …but this was our 3rd out of norfolk 1st was on the > triumph the 2nd and 3rd on the victory and we have already been to the travel > agent to book for there 10/9/05 cruise on the triumph again .. > yes in around two years the port should be bigger .. but we get there early and > by 12.00 we are unpacked and ready to enjoy we have found if you are not > rushing to get on and just chat with people while waiting it is not so bad > we cant wiat till the next one on 10/9/05
We won’t be taking it next year, the prices are just too high, and we are hoping to cruise out of Alaska in 2006 and are saving our pennies for that. I also like the 9-11 day Holland America itineraries out of Norfolk, and when we can afford it. I agree about getting there early. We left the shops in Williamsburg at about 10:45, thinking we were doing just that. But the traffic was so bad (next time we’ll take 664 instead of 64.) that we did not get to the parking lot until around 12:30. We did chat with folks and it did not hurt our mood, but compared to Miami it was very time-consuming. — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
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Juliana, Glad you liked this little cruise. The CCL Victory back in 11/01 was my first cruise with a balcony and 60+ family and friends. We did a 7 day Western itinerary. I have not been on CCL since because I prefer HAL and Princess. However, I would not hesitate to go on the Victory again if it was the right situation. Steve Hayes
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> This was a fun weekend and a great value for the money at less than > $200 per person. Having tried Carnival, I would be open to > travelling on them again, given the right itinerary, although they > would not be my first choice.
Juliana, most short cruises are full of people who like to drink and gamble, so I am pleased that your cruise was not a total disaster. I am glad you gave Carnival a try. Becca <—–the Spirit class ships is my favorite… Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/ Miracle in May http://www.cruisemaster.com/miracle.htm
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Living a short 2 hour drive from the NYC area I have been tempted to try a 2-day weekend cruise to nowhere. However your description of the embarkation ‘nightmare’ is one reason for me not booking one of these. Too short of time to have to go thru all that! Also when doing pricing comparisons a cruise to nowhere is not all that cheap…I did the Voyager of the Seas 5-day to Nova Scotia for about what it would have cost for a Carnival cruise to nowhere. Even though I was not thrilled about cruising to Canada at least it was longer and we did have 2 port calls. In any event you did post a good review of the ship. Thanks! Len…
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glad to hear you had fun .. we were on the victory on 10/10/04 the 6 day cruise .. we had alot of fun …but this was our 3rd out of norfolk 1st was on the triumph the 2nd and 3rd on the victory and we have already been to the travel agent to book for there 10/9/05 cruise on the triumph again .. yes in around two years the port should be bigger .. but we get there early and by 12.00 we are unpacked and ready to enjoy we have found if you are not rushing to get on and just chat with people while waiting it is not so bad we cant wiat till the next one on 10/9/05
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> Julia, thanks for the very interesting review…You covered a lot in 2days! > You mentioned that activities were sparse but I’m sure that would be > different on a 7day or longer.
I agree. Also, they were a tad sparse for me, but I will assure you that my children did not agree with me, the 20 year old thought Carnival was just her speed. > What a nice way to spend a weekend ! Sounds like you all enjoyed yourselves > very much.
We did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Glad to hear such good reports on the food, too. > –Jean > s very, very nice. I am a hot tub fan, but the one I went in was ver > hot indeed. We keep ours at home around 104 degrees, and this was hotter > than that. > The lounges were nice, standouts were the Ionian lounge, done in a greek > theme > with lots of greek vases. It was the site of the tea, but it was also the > "Cigar lounge" so I tended to avoid it at night. The Caribbean lounge was > great also, and we were there both nights for well-attended Karaoke. The > show > lounge was nice, also, with good sightlines from both the floor, and the > balconies. > The Lido deck was a standout with three pools (yes, one designated for > adults) > six hot tubs. One of the pools is in an area called windows, near the > Pizza- > ria which is more or less enclosed, with a retractable roof. This area is > very > nicely designed and a pretty place to be, with a medeterranian touch, > which > I liked very much. > Activities: > This cruise was a bit sparse in the activity department from my point of > view, > which may have reflected the northern nature of it. No wine or liquor > tastings > or meaningful dance classes (the "Austin Powers" dance class does not > count). > There was a hairy chest contest, which my son (who has a very hairy chest) > participated in and thought it was a hoot, and the usual newleywed game, > so > I guess there was really quite a bit. My kids, in their 20s thought the > activities were great, and I filled in the time playing blackjack. > Art auctions and bingo sessions were not as heavily hawked as on other > ships > I have been on. Nor were photos as agressivly marketed, although the > videotape > of the cruise was. The casino had slots and blackjack tournaments, and > there > was a full complement of evening entertainment, with two excellent > production > shows "Vegas" style (which appears to mean done while wearing thongs most > of > the time). I never did see the cruise director, which may have been > because of > the size of the ship, but he was not at the production shows. The shows, > while > very well done, were not as good as NCLs. The other major entertainment > was > a late night comedian, which I missed, being somewhat used to going to > sleep > early (though we were up until almost 2 the first night). > I must say that although activities seemed sparse to Me, they would have > been > just fine for a first time cruiser, which is really their market on this > kind > of ship. I did retain the daily listings. > Musicians on the ship were uniformly good and interesting. the Caribbean > band > was a little loud. The classical trip was wonderful, and played Strauss > walzes, which my son and I danced to. I was unable to hear the jazz > group, > as they played in the Ionian during the hours it was a cigar bar, and I > cannot > stand cigar smoke. (I was glad to see that smoking was limited on the > ship, > and passengers adhered to those limitations, so I was glad there was a > cigar > bar, I just did nto go there when it was such. It did not smell of cigars > when > it was used for tea.) > Tips: > We prepaid tips, and then gave extra to the waitress and assistant. We > never > even knew who our cabin steward was, though he kept the cabin clearn and > even > left us a towel lobster (my first towel animal) he also neglected to push > our > beds together (we did it ourselves). If you ahd not prepaid tips, they > were > taken out automatically. I think that is a good idea when you are talking > about a cruise like this where many, many people are first time cruisers. > Disembarkation: > It was too soon. 2 days isn’t nearly enought, though it was a very very > fun > weekend. It was exceptionally smooth, largely I think due to the fact that > we > had not gone to any port at all, so customs was not too concerned with the > little bit of duty free shopping we might have done on the ship, and > everone > was carrying their own bags. No porters, and we all left quickly as we > were > ready. > Summation: > This was a fun weekend and a great value for the money at less than $200 > per > person. Having tried Carnival, I would be open to travelling on them > again, > given the right itinerary, although they would not be my first choice. My > children, in their 20s, both liked Carnival a lot, and my daughter (the > youngest) rated them better than Royal Caribbean. They did like the > younger > crowd, which may have been due to the length of the cruise. This was a > fun, > enjoyable, all too short weekend. > I would have liked to be on this trip in warmer climate. > This is quite a long review for quite a short trip. It will be up shortly > on my web page with pictures. > — > Julie > Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at > http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
– Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
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Nice review, Julie. I’ve been on the Victory 3 times, and very much like that ship. Howie
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Sounds like a fun week end Julie. Nice to get away even for a week-end SUNNY S’nd I XXX
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> Sounds like a fun week end Julie. Nice to get away even for a week-end
It was. It seemed silly at first to do a 2 day, but we have done many other weekend trips. It was close and inexpensive, and we’re terribly glad we did. It was, after all, not as if we did this instead of a 7 day. No. Our next weeklong cruise will not be till 2006 Alaska, our trip this year to Italy made sure of that. But the weekend was a nice spot in a dry spell. — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
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I’m trying to be prompt here We got off the Carnival Victory, for their 2 day cruise to Nowhere out of Norfolk, Virginia this morning. We live in Northern Virginia, and we could not resist a fun cruise weekend that we could drive to. Here’s my review: This was our fourth cruise, first on Carnival (others on NCL and RCCL). It was our kids’ second cruise. We decided to sign up for this cruise and take two of our adult children over a year ahead. The real draw was the price for the cheapie rooms (a 1A for my kids and a 4A for us.) and the proximity, as we live in Virginia and could drive to the port. It looked like a fun weekend. Carnival runs these cruises to nowhere several times a year out of Norfolk and New York at least. Embarkation: Was terrible. Lines, Lines, Lines. Norfolk does NOT know how to embark a big mega ship, and some 3,000 people slows everything up. It did not help that this given Saturday there were a number of big events on the Norfolk waterfront. We left my in-laws’ home in Williamsburg, VA at about 10, stopped for 45 minutes or so at the nearby outlet shops to pick up a couple of things we’d left behind then headed for Norfolk, into total gridlock. It must have taken us an hour to get to and through the tunnel. Once at the parking lot, (Carival parks you about a mile away, $20 for the weekend, then shuttles you to the boat. There is NOT enough room at the dock for people to even be left off) there was a sizeable line for the shuttle busses to take us to the port (It possibly could have been walked but it was a significant walk, especially with luggage. Once at the port there was another line which snaked all over the place to security. That one was about an hour long and outside, and it deposited you at yet another line, where we waited for a while to get sail and sign cards, then another line, still to actually get on the ship (although the last one, picture included, was less than 10 minutes.) So by 3:30 we were aboard, found our rooms (both on the Riviera deck or first floor). Quick note. Some one at breakfast this morning told me that Norfolk is going to put in a proper cruise terminal. I hope so. The convenience of leaving from here is powerful and in a couple years I’d be very interested in cruising again from here, given proper facilities and an interesting itinerary. Rooms: Carnival boasts larger rooms than other cruise lines, and the bottom-of the line rooms were larger (especially the 1A which my kids shared, which was a porthole cabin.) However, there was not sufficient difference between the 185 square foot rooms on Carnival and the 144s on Norwegian or even the 118s on Royal Caribbean. The 1A was very nice though, with the second bunk over a couch and a nice area near the portholes. I think it was actually larger than the 4A. All in all, though, it was the typical low end cruise stateroom; efficient bath, twin beds that can be pushed together (they don’t actually make them up as a double, which I felt to be a negative compared to other lines). the desk and sitting space is somewhat more than on previous lines, and this is where we felt the extra space. Bathroom and closets are a wonder of efficiency; there were lots of cabinets and hanging racks, and the drawers were outside of the closets, which left lots of room in the closets. The storage would support well a weeklong cruise. Food: After unpacking, we headed for a light snack. We had not eaten any lunch, planning to eat on the ship, but a three hour delay after when we had hoped to board, we were concerned about spoiling dinner. So, having heard so much about Carnival’s pizza we chose to try out the pizza. It is reputed to be the best on the seas and I believe it. We tried pepperoni, garden vegetable, mushroom and goat cheese and margharita pizza and all were excellent. We had only one or two slices and some iced tea/lemonaide to drink with it, then enjoyed some tropical drinks (Sail Away Specials) which we bought in plastic souvenir glasses. We ate a total of 6 meals on ship, dinner every night in the dining room (which we all enjoy) one breakfast in the Lido buffet, one in the dining room, and a lunch in the pizzaria and one in the Lido buffet. All of the food ranged from very good to excellent. We also went to tea on Sunday, which I’ll cover in t the activities section. Buffet food is particularly good, with a very nice salad bar, a good selection of buffet food and a separate chinese food window and separate deli window. I particularly enjoyed the polenta with ratatouille, as I am a vegetarian. But it was all very tasty. At breakfast they had 4 omlette stations, melons, grapefruit, hot and cold cereals, yogurt as well as the usual buffet stuff, scrambeled eggs, various breakfast meats, hash browns, and many pastries. Dining room dinners are set up as four courses, with appetizers and soups together. They were very flexible of course, and when I preferred an appetizer and soup over one of those and salad, they accomodated me. Standout dishes included the duet of lamb, which my husband and son chose, the vegetable curry which I had the first night, and the roast beef. I understand the quail was good. The lobster was tasty, but was of course, frozen lobster tail. Our waitstaff was good especially the assistant waitress, who even on a two day cruise remembered that I was a vegetarian, remembered our end of meal coffee orders and greeted us in the Lido at breakfast. Her name was Lina, and I cannot remember the name of our main waitress. They appeared to have pizza and ice cream/yogurt 24 hours, and a buffet both nights from 11:30 to 1 AM. Public Space: I’d expected glaring decor and was pleasantly surprised to find the Carnival decor just fine. There are a lot of lights; just about everything seems to be lined in them. The tall atrium is impressive, but not as impressive as the Norwegian Dawn was. We had some trouble finding our way back to front, which I attribute to the shortness of the cruise. It’s usually by the second day that I settle into a cruise, and in this case that was when I was leaving~! There were a couple decks that did not go front to back, or only did so via an empty dining room, which was awkward. It was difficult to find the Pacific dining room (although the Atlantic was fine.) The casino was very crowded. I don’t know if that was usual or just this crowd. In general there were more lines than I am used to and more crowds just about everywhere. I think with a 2 day no one spent much time in their cabin at all. There were 7 hot tubs, so that was one area which was never fully crowded, which was very, very nice. I am a hot tub fan, but the one I went in was ver hot indeed. We keep ours at home around 104 degrees, and this was hotter than that. The lounges were nice, standouts were the Ionian lounge, done in a greek theme with lots of greek vases. It was the site of the tea, but it was also the "Cigar lounge" so I tended to avoid it at night. The Caribbean lounge was great also, and we were there both nights for well-attended Karaoke. The show lounge was nice, also, with good sightlines from both the floor, and the balconies. The Lido deck was a standout with three pools (yes, one designated for adults) six hot tubs. One of the pools is in an area called windows, near the Pizza- ria which is more or less enclosed, with a retractable roof. This area is very nicely designed and a pretty place to be, with a medeterranian touch, which I liked very much. Activities: This cruise was a bit sparse in the activity department from my point of view, which may have reflected the northern nature of it. No wine or liquor tastings or meaningful dance classes (the "Austin Powers" dance class does not count). There was a hairy chest contest, which my son (who has a very hairy chest) participated in and thought it was a hoot, and the usual newleywed game, so I guess there was really quite a bit. My kids, in their 20s thought the activities were great, and I filled in the time playing blackjack. Art auctions and bingo sessions were not as heavily hawked as on other ships I have been on. Nor were photos as agressivly marketed, although the videotape of the cruise was. The casino had slots and blackjack tournaments, and there was a full complement of evening entertainment, with two excellent production shows "Vegas" style (which appears to mean done while wearing thongs most of the time). I never did see the cruise director, which may have been because of the size of the ship, but he was not at the production shows. The shows, while very well done, were not as good as NCLs. The other major entertainment was a late night comedian, which I missed, being somewhat used to going to sleep early (though we were up until almost 2 the first night). I must say that although activities seemed sparse to Me, they would have been just fine for a first time cruiser, which is really their market on this kind of ship. I did retain the daily listings. Musicians on the ship were uniformly good and interesting. the Caribbean band was a little loud. The classical trip was wonderful, and played Strauss walzes, which my son and I danced to. I was unable to hear the jazz group, as they played in the Ionian during the hours it was a cigar bar, and I cannot stand cigar smoke. (I was glad to see that smoking was limited on the ship, and passengers adhered to those limitations, so I was glad there was a cigar bar, I just did nto go there when it was such. It did not smell of cigars when it was used for tea.) Tips: We prepaid tips, and then gave extra to the waitress and assistant. We never even knew who our cabin steward was, though he kept the cabin clearn and even left us a towel lobster (my first towel animal) he also neglected to push our beds together (we did it ourselves). … read more »
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I’m trying to be prompt here We got off the Carnival Victory, for their 2 day cruise to Nowhere out of Norfolk, Virginia this morning. We live in Northern Virginia, and we could not resist a fun cruise weekend that we could drive to. Here’s my review: This was our fourth cruise, first on Carnival (others on NCL and RCCL). It was our kids’ second cruise. We decided to sign up for this cruise and take two of our adult children over a year ahead. The real draw was the price for the cheapie rooms (a 1A for my kids and a 4A for us.) and the proximity, as we live in Virginia and could drive to the port. It looked like a fun weekend. Carnival runs these cruises to nowhere several times a year out of Norfolk and New York at least. Embarkation: Was terrible. Lines, Lines, Lines. Norfolk does NOT know how to embark a big mega ship, and some 3,000 people slows everything up. It did not help that this given Saturday there were a number of big events on the Norfolk waterfront. We left my in-laws’ home in Williamsburg, VA at about 10, stopped for 45 minutes or so at the nearby outlet shops to pick up a couple of things we’d left behind then headed for Norfolk, into total gridlock. It must have taken us an hour to get to and through the tunnel. Once at the parking lot, (Carival parks you about a mile away, $20 for the weekend, then shuttles you to the boat. There is NOT enough room at the dock for people to even be left off) there was a sizeable line for the shuttle busses to take us to the port (It possibly could have been walked but it was a significant walk, especially with luggage. Once at the port there was another line which snaked all over the place to security. That one was about an hour long and outside, and it deposited you at yet another line, where we waited for a while to get sail and sign cards, then another line, still to actually get on the ship (although the last one, picture included, was less than 10 minutes.) So by 3:30 we were aboard, found our rooms (both on the Riviera deck or first floor). Quick note. Some one at breakfast this morning told me that Norfolk is going to put in a proper cruise terminal. I hope so. The convenience of leaving from here is powerful and in a couple years I’d be very interested in cruising again from here, given proper facilities and an interesting itinerary. Rooms: Carnival boasts larger rooms than other cruise lines, and the bottom-of the line rooms were larger (especially the 1A which my kids shared, which was a porthole cabin.) However, there was not sufficient difference between the 185 square foot rooms on Carnival and the 144s on Norwegian or even the 118s on Royal Caribbean. The 1A was very nice though, with the second bunk over a couch and a nice area near the portholes. I think it was actually larger than the 4A. All in all, though, it was the typical low end cruise stateroom; efficient bath, twin beds that can be pushed together (they don’t actually make them up as a double, which I felt to be a negative compared to other lines). the desk and sitting space is somewhat more than on previous lines, and this is where we felt the extra space. Bathroom and closets are a wonder of efficiency; there were lots of cabinets and hanging racks, and the drawers were outside of the closets, which left lots of room in the closets. The storage would support well a weeklong cruise. Food: After unpacking, we headed for a light snack. We had not eaten any lunch, planning to eat on the ship, but a three hour delay after when we had hoped to board, we were concerned about spoiling dinner. So, having heard so much about Carnival’s pizza we chose to try out the pizza. It is reputed to be the best on the seas and I believe it. We tried pepperoni, garden vegetable, mushroom and goat cheese and margharita pizza and all were excellent. We had only one or two slices and some iced tea/lemonaide to drink with it, then enjoyed some tropical drinks (Sail Away Specials) which we bought in plastic souvenir glasses. We ate a total of 6 meals on ship, dinner every night in the dining room (which we all enjoy) one breakfast in the Lido buffet, one in the dining room, and a lunch in the pizzaria and one in the Lido buffet. All of the food ranged from very good to excellent. We also went to tea on Sunday, which I’ll cover in t the activities section. Buffet food is particularly good, with a very nice salad bar, a good selection of buffet food and a separate chinese food window and separate deli window. I particularly enjoyed the polenta with ratatouille, as I am a vegetarian. But it was all very tasty. At breakfast they had 4 omlette stations, melons, grapefruit, hot and cold cereals, yogurt as well as the usual buffet stuff, scrambeled eggs, various breakfast meats, hash browns, and many pastries. Dining room dinners are set up as four courses, with appetizers and soups together. They were very flexible of course, and when I preferred an appetizer and soup over one of those and salad, they accomodated me. Standout dishes included the duet of lamb, which my husband and son chose, the vegetable curry which I had the first night, and the roast beef. I understand the quail was good. The lobster was tasty, but was of course, frozen lobster tail. Our waitstaff was good especially the assistant waitress, who even on a two day cruise remembered that I was a vegetarian, remembered our end of meal coffee orders and greeted us in the Lido at breakfast. Her name was Lina, and I cannot remember the name of our main waitress. They appeared to have pizza and ice cream/yogurt 24 hours, and a buffet both nights from 11:30 to 1 AM. Public Space: I’d expected glaring decor and was pleasantly surprised to find the Carnival decor just fine. There are a lot of lights; just about everything seems to be lined in them. The tall atrium is impressive, but not as impressive as the Norwegian Dawn was. We had some trouble finding our way back to front, which I attribute to the shortness of the cruise. It’s usually by the second day that I settle into a cruise, and in this case that was when I was leaving~! There were a couple decks that did not go front to back, or only did so via an empty dining room, which was awkward. It was difficult to find the Pacific dining room (although the Atlantic was fine.) The casino was very crowded. I don’t know if that was usual or just this crowd. In general there were more lines than I am used to and more crowds just about everywhere. I think with a 2 day no one spent much time in their cabin at all. There were 7 hot tubs, so that was one area which was never fully crowded, which was very, very nice. I am a hot tub fan, but the one I went in was ver hot indeed. We keep ours at home around 104 degrees, and this was hotter than that. The lounges were nice, standouts were the Ionian lounge, done in a greek theme with lots of greek vases. It was the site of the tea, but it was also the "Cigar lounge" so I tended to avoid it at night. The Caribbean lounge was great also, and we were there both nights for well-attended Karaoke. The show lounge was nice, also, with good sightlines from both the floor, and the balconies. The Lido deck was a standout with three pools (yes, one designated for adults) six hot tubs. One of the pools is in an area called windows, near the Pizza- ria which is more or less enclosed, with a retractable roof. This area is very nicely designed and a pretty place to be, with a medeterranian touch, which I liked very much. Activities: This cruise was a bit sparse in the activity department from my point of view, which may have reflected the northern nature of it. No wine or liquor tastings or meaningful dance classes (the "Austin Powers" dance class does not count). There was a hairy chest contest, which my son (who has a very hairy chest) participated in and thought it was a hoot, and the usual newleywed game, so I guess there was really quite a bit. My kids, in their 20s thought the activities were great, and I filled in the time playing blackjack. Art auctions and bingo sessions were not as heavily hawked as on other ships I have been on. Nor were photos as agressivly marketed, although the videotape of the cruise was. The casino had slots and blackjack tournaments, and there was a full complement of evening entertainment, with two excellent production shows "Vegas" style (which appears to mean done while wearing thongs most of the time). I never did see the cruise director, which may have been because of the size of the ship, but he was not at the production shows. The shows, while very well done, were not as good as NCLs. The other major entertainment was a late night comedian, which I missed, being somewhat used to going to sleep early (though we were up until almost 2 the first night). I must say that although activities seemed sparse to Me, they would have been just fine for a first time cruiser, which is really their market on this kind of ship. I did retain the daily listings. Musicians on the ship were uniformly good and interesting. the Caribbean band was a little loud. The classical trip was wonderful, and played Strauss walzes, which my son and I danced to. I was unable to hear the jazz group, as they played in the Ionian during the hours it was a cigar bar, and I cannot stand cigar smoke. (I was glad to see that smoking was limited on the ship, and passengers adhered to those limitations, so I was glad there was a cigar bar, I just did nto go there when it was such. It did not smell of cigars when it was used for tea.) Tips: We prepaid tips, and then gave extra to the waitress and assistant. We never even knew who our cabin steward was, though he kept the cabin clearn and even left us a towel lobster (my first towel animal) he also neglected to push our beds together (we did it ourselves). … read more »
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> I’m trying to be prompt here > We got off the Carnival Victory, for their 2 day cruise to Nowhere out of > Norfolk, Virginia this morning. We live in Northern Virginia, and we > could > not resist a fun cruise weekend that we could drive to.
Julia, thanks for the very interesting review…You covered a lot in 2days! You mentioned that activities were sparse but I’m sure that would be different on a 7day or longer. What a nice way to spend a weekend ! Sounds like you all enjoyed yourselves very much.. Glad to hear such good reports on the food, too. –Jean s very, very nice. I am a hot tub fan, but the one I went in was ver – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> hot indeed. We keep ours at home around 104 degrees, and this was hotter > than that. > The lounges were nice, standouts were the Ionian lounge, done in a greek > theme > with lots of greek vases. It was the site of the tea, but it was also the > "Cigar lounge" so I tended to avoid it at night. The Caribbean lounge was > great also, and we were there both nights for well-attended Karaoke. The > show > lounge was nice, also, with good sightlines from both the floor, and the > balconies. > The Lido deck was a standout with three pools (yes, one designated for > adults) > six hot tubs. One of the pools is in an area called windows, near the > Pizza- > ria which is more or less enclosed, with a retractable roof. This area is > very > nicely designed and a pretty place to be, with a medeterranian touch, > which > I liked very much. > Activities: > This cruise was a bit sparse in the activity department from my point of > view, > which may have reflected the northern nature of it. No wine or liquor > tastings > or meaningful dance classes (the "Austin Powers" dance class does not > count). > There was a hairy chest contest, which my son (who has a very hairy chest) > participated in and thought it was a hoot, and the usual newleywed game, > so > I guess there was really quite a bit. My kids, in their 20s thought the > activities were great, and I filled in the time playing blackjack. > Art auctions and bingo sessions were not as heavily hawked as on other > ships > I have been on. Nor were photos as agressivly marketed, although the > videotape > of the cruise was. The casino had slots and blackjack tournaments, and > there > was a full complement of evening entertainment, with two excellent > production > shows "Vegas" style (which appears to mean done while wearing thongs most > of > the time). I never did see the cruise director, which may have been > because of > the size of the ship, but he was not at the production shows. The shows, > while > very well done, were not as good as NCLs. The other major entertainment > was > a late night comedian, which I missed, being somewhat used to going to > sleep > early (though we were up until almost 2 the first night). > I must say that although activities seemed sparse to Me, they would have > been > just fine for a first time cruiser, which is really their market on this > kind > of ship. I did retain the daily listings. > Musicians on the ship were uniformly good and interesting. the Caribbean > band > was a little loud. The classical trip was wonderful, and played Strauss > walzes, which my son and I danced to. I was unable to hear the jazz > group, > as they played in the Ionian during the hours it was a cigar bar, and I > cannot > stand cigar smoke. (I was glad to see that smoking was limited on the > ship, > and passengers adhered to those limitations, so I was glad there was a > cigar > bar, I just did nto go there when it was such. It did not smell of cigars > when > it was used for tea.) > Tips: > We prepaid tips, and then gave extra to the waitress and assistant. We > never > even knew who our cabin steward was, though he kept the cabin clearn and > even > left us a towel lobster (my first towel animal) he also neglected to push > our > beds together (we did it ourselves). If you ahd not prepaid tips, they > were > taken out automatically. I think that is a good idea when you are talking > about a cruise like this where many, many people are first time cruisers. > Disembarkation: > It was too soon. 2 days isn’t nearly enought, though it was a very very > fun > weekend. It was exceptionally smooth, largely I think due to the fact that > we > had not gone to any port at all, so customs was not too concerned with the > little bit of duty free shopping we might have done on the ship, and > everone > was carrying their own bags. No porters, and we all left quickly as we > were > ready. > Summation: > This was a fun weekend and a great value for the money at less than $200 > per > person. Having tried Carnival, I would be open to travelling on them > again, > given the right itinerary, although they would not be my first choice. My > children, in their 20s, both liked Carnival a lot, and my daughter (the > youngest) rated them better than Royal Caribbean. They did like the > younger > crowd, which may have been due to the length of the cruise. This was a > fun, > enjoyable, all too short weekend. > I would have liked to be on this trip in warmer climate. > This is quite a long review for quite a short trip. It will be up shortly > on my web page with pictures. > — > Julie > Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at > http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
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Nice review, Julie. I’ve been on the Victory 3 times, and very much like that ship. Howie
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Sounds like a fun week end Julie. Nice to get away even for a week-end SUNNY S’nd I XXX
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> Sounds like a fun week end Julie. Nice to get away even for a week-end
It was. It seemed silly at first to do a 2 day, but we have done many other weekend trips. It was close and inexpensive, and we’re terribly glad we did. It was, after all, not as if we did this instead of a 7 day. No. Our next weeklong cruise will not be till 2006 Alaska, our trip this year to Italy made sure of that. But the weekend was a nice spot in a dry spell. — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
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> Julia, thanks for the very interesting review…You covered a lot in 2days! > You mentioned that activities were sparse but I’m sure that would be > different on a 7day or longer.
I agree. Also, they were a tad sparse for me, but I will assure you that my children did not agree with me, the 20 year old thought Carnival was just her speed. > What a nice way to spend a weekend ! Sounds like you all enjoyed yourselves > very much.
We did. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Glad to hear such good reports on the food, too. > –Jean > s very, very nice. I am a hot tub fan, but the one I went in was ver > hot indeed. We keep ours at home around 104 degrees, and this was hotter > than that. > The lounges were nice, standouts were the Ionian lounge, done in a greek > theme > with lots of greek vases. It was the site of the tea, but it was also the > "Cigar lounge" so I tended to avoid it at night. The Caribbean lounge was > great also, and we were there both nights for well-attended Karaoke. The > show > lounge was nice, also, with good sightlines from both the floor, and the > balconies. > The Lido deck was a standout with three pools (yes, one designated for > adults) > six hot tubs. One of the pools is in an area called windows, near the > Pizza- > ria which is more or less enclosed, with a retractable roof. This area is > very > nicely designed and a pretty place to be, with a medeterranian touch, > which > I liked very much. > Activities: > This cruise was a bit sparse in the activity department from my point of > view, > which may have reflected the northern nature of it. No wine or liquor > tastings > or meaningful dance classes (the "Austin Powers" dance class does not > count). > There was a hairy chest contest, which my son (who has a very hairy chest) > participated in and thought it was a hoot, and the usual newleywed game, > so > I guess there was really quite a bit. My kids, in their 20s thought the > activities were great, and I filled in the time playing blackjack. > Art auctions and bingo sessions were not as heavily hawked as on other > ships > I have been on. Nor were photos as agressivly marketed, although the > videotape > of the cruise was. The casino had slots and blackjack tournaments, and > there > was a full complement of evening entertainment, with two excellent > production > shows "Vegas" style (which appears to mean done while wearing thongs most > of > the time). I never did see the cruise director, which may have been > because of > the size of the ship, but he was not at the production shows. The shows, > while > very well done, were not as good as NCLs. The other major entertainment > was > a late night comedian, which I missed, being somewhat used to going to > sleep > early (though we were up until almost 2 the first night). > I must say that although activities seemed sparse to Me, they would have > been > just fine for a first time cruiser, which is really their market on this > kind > of ship. I did retain the daily listings. > Musicians on the ship were uniformly good and interesting. the Caribbean > band > was a little loud. The classical trip was wonderful, and played Strauss > walzes, which my son and I danced to. I was unable to hear the jazz > group, > as they played in the Ionian during the hours it was a cigar bar, and I > cannot > stand cigar smoke. (I was glad to see that smoking was limited on the > ship, > and passengers adhered to those limitations, so I was glad there was a > cigar > bar, I just did nto go there when it was such. It did not smell of cigars > when > it was used for tea.) > Tips: > We prepaid tips, and then gave extra to the waitress and assistant. We > never > even knew who our cabin steward was, though he kept the cabin clearn and > even > left us a towel lobster (my first towel animal) he also neglected to push > our > beds together (we did it ourselves). If you ahd not prepaid tips, they > were > taken out automatically. I think that is a good idea when you are talking > about a cruise like this where many, many people are first time cruisers. > Disembarkation: > It was too soon. 2 days isn’t nearly enought, though it was a very very > fun > weekend. It was exceptionally smooth, largely I think due to the fact that > we > had not gone to any port at all, so customs was not too concerned with the > little bit of duty free shopping we might have done on the ship, and > everone > was carrying their own bags. No porters, and we all left quickly as we > were > ready. > Summation: > This was a fun weekend and a great value for the money at less than $200 > per > person. Having tried Carnival, I would be open to travelling on them > again, > given the right itinerary, although they would not be my first choice. My > children, in their 20s, both liked Carnival a lot, and my daughter (the > youngest) rated them better than Royal Caribbean. They did like the > younger > crowd, which may have been due to the length of the cruise. This was a > fun, > enjoyable, all too short weekend. > I would have liked to be on this trip in warmer climate. > This is quite a long review for quite a short trip. It will be up shortly > on my web page with pictures. > — > Julie > Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at > http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
– Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
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glad to hear you had fun .. we were on the victory on 10/10/04 the 6 day cruise .. we had alot of fun …but this was our 3rd out of norfolk 1st was on the triumph the 2nd and 3rd on the victory and we have already been to the travel agent to book for there 10/9/05 cruise on the triumph again .. yes in around two years the port should be bigger .. but we get there early and by 12.00 we are unpacked and ready to enjoy we have found if you are not rushing to get on and just chat with people while waiting it is not so bad we cant wiat till the next one on 10/9/05
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> glad to hear you had fun .. we were on the victory on 10/10/04 the 6 day cruise > .. we had alot of fun …but this was our 3rd out of norfolk 1st was on the > triumph the 2nd and 3rd on the victory and we have already been to the travel > agent to book for there 10/9/05 cruise on the triumph again .. > yes in around two years the port should be bigger .. but we get there early and > by 12.00 we are unpacked and ready to enjoy we have found if you are not > rushing to get on and just chat with people while waiting it is not so bad > we cant wiat till the next one on 10/9/05
We won’t be taking it next year, the prices are just too high, and we are hoping to cruise out of Alaska in 2006 and are saving our pennies for that. I also like the 9-11 day Holland America itineraries out of Norfolk, and when we can afford it. I agree about getting there early. We left the shops in Williamsburg at about 10:45, thinking we were doing just that. But the traffic was so bad (next time we’ll take 664 instead of 64.) that we did not get to the parking lot until around 12:30. We did chat with folks and it did not hurt our mood, but compared to Miami it was very time-consuming. — Julie Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
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Juliana, Glad you liked this little cruise. The CCL Victory back in 11/01 was my first cruise with a balcony and 60+ family and friends. We did a 7 day Western itinerary. I have not been on CCL since because I prefer HAL and Princess. However, I would not hesitate to go on the Victory again if it was the right situation. Steve Hayes
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> This was a fun weekend and a great value for the money at less than > $200 per person. Having tried Carnival, I would be open to > travelling on them again, given the right itinerary, although they > would not be my first choice.
Juliana, most short cruises are full of people who like to drink and gamble, so I am pleased that your cruise was not a total disaster. I am glad you gave Carnival a try. Becca <—–the Spirit class ships is my favorite… Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/ Miracle in May http://www.cruisemaster.com/miracle.htm
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Living a short 2 hour drive from the NYC area I have been tempted to try a 2-day weekend cruise to nowhere. However your description of the embarkation ‘nightmare’ is one reason for me not booking one of these. Too short of time to have to go thru all that! Also when doing pricing comparisons a cruise to nowhere is not all that cheap…I did the Voyager of the Seas 5-day to Nova Scotia for about what it would have cost for a Carnival cruise to nowhere. Even though I was not thrilled about cruising to Canada at least it was longer and we did have 2 port calls. In any event you did post a good review of the ship. Thanks! Len…
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As we approach the 60th Anniversary of D-Day I would like to share that day with this ng. I am sure there are many vets here but my observations are from a civilian. I was 17 1/2 at the time living in the heart of London. On that fateful day we were sitting in the kitchen when we heard the noise of planes overhead. We knew it was not the enemy as the air raid siren had not been sounded and we knew the sound of enemy aircraft. As we sat there the noise became louder. We looked outside and saw the sky was filling up with American bombers making their way in the direction of the coast. We did not know exactly what was happening but somehow surmised it was not a "dry" run. Hundreds of British citizens took to the streets waving sheets, towels anything we could grab. We stood in the streets waving and cheering. Whether we were seen or heard I dont know. These young men were on a mission of life and death. They were the vanguard flying to Normandy to cover for the ground troops. We are of the Jewish faith and every Jewish holiday one or two G.I’s were invited through the USO to join us as did our Catholic, Protestant neighbours. We didnt have much to eat in those days but these young men would always bring something to the table. Butter. cigarettes, chocolate etc. One of these brave young men that we had had in our home did not return from this mission. Part of me will always be in GB and part of me lives here, my adopted country. I am proud to be part of these two great countries. S’nd I XXX
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> As we approach the 60th Anniversary of D-Day I would like to share that > day with this ng. I am sure there are many vets here but my > observations are from a civilian.
Thank you, Sunny, for your poignant memories~~They remind me of the time when everyone in our respective countries was doing all that they could on the home front and our country was so solidly united.. I was eleven then, but I remember my brother going off to the Marines and the blue star that we hung proudly in our window..I remember collecting fat and grease in cans, hunting for metal and iron scraps and saving all tin cans to donate for the war..I especially remember the huge *Victory Garden* where we planted all sorts of vegetables..Donating to the Red Cross, the USO and the air mail letters from my brother in the Pacific theater which were few and far between but when they came, the mailman brought them directly to the house instead of putting them in the mailbox…Everyone was closely bonded…Those were scary times and we were close to our radio for news from the war front..Later, I had two of my brothers-in-law(one in the Army in the Pacific Theater and one in the Army Air Force in England) to add to my prayer list. I remember my brother coming home wounded and hospitalized at Bethesda, only to recover and volunteer to go back to the Pacific..which he did..Thankfully he returned but the horrible war memories left a toll on him..It was not until during the last years of his life and right after my father died, that we sat together that he broke down~~the sorrow of that day brought back more sorrowful memories for him and they all poured out.. I will never forget .. > Part of me will always be in GB and part of me lives here, my adopted > country. I am proud to be part of these two great countries.
This is as it should be, Sunny..your heart in two places.. I too, share your pride of this wonderful country and feel fortunate to have been born here..Thank you for sharing.. May God Bless America and all the heroic men and women in our armed forces! –Jean
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Thanks, Sunny. We have a lot to be thankful for.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As we approach the 60th Anniversary of D-Day I would like to share that > day with this ng. I am sure there are many vets here but my > observations are from a civilian. > I was 17 1/2 at the time living in the heart of London. On that fateful > day we were sitting in the kitchen when we heard the noise of planes > overhead. > We knew it was not the enemy as the air raid siren had not been sounded > and we knew the sound of enemy aircraft. > As we sat there the noise became louder. > We looked outside and saw the sky was filling up with American bombers > making their way in the direction of the coast. > We did not know exactly what was happening but somehow surmised it was > not a "dry" run. > Hundreds of British citizens took to the streets waving sheets, towels > anything we could grab. We stood in the streets waving and cheering. > Whether we were seen or heard I dont know. These young men were on a > mission of life and death. > They were the vanguard flying to Normandy to cover for the ground > troops. > We are of the Jewish faith and every Jewish holiday one or two G.I’s > were invited through the USO to join us as did our Catholic, Protestant > neighbours. > We didnt have much to eat in those days but these young men would always > bring something to the table. Butter. cigarettes, chocolate etc. > One of these brave young men that we had had in our home did not return > from this mission. > Part of me will always be in GB and part of me lives here, my adopted > country. I am proud to be part of these two great countries. > S’nd I > XXX
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> As we approach the 60th Anniversary of D-Day I would like to share that > day with this ng. I am sure there are many vets here but my > observations are from a civilian.
Nice to see this event through your memories, Sunny. Howie
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I was only about 1 when the war ended, but I, too, remember collecting the fat and grease and bringing to the store. As a chemical engineer I guess I should know what they did with it, but I don’t. I also vaguely remember some ration cards. Didn’t mean much to me as I’m sure my parents made sure I was well fed. Could some of this taken place after the war? At age one, I don’t believe that I really would have remembered all of that. We were in Hartford, CT. My father was a Lt. in the Navy on a ship somewhere in the Pacific. Both my Uncles were in the service. Its what everyone did then. Everyone came home safely in our family. Robert
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As we approach the 60th Anniversary of D-Day I would like to share that > day with this ng. I am sure there are many vets here but my > observations are from a civilian. > Thank you, Sunny, for your poignant memories~~They remind me of the time > when everyone in our respective countries was doing all that they could on > the home front and our country was so solidly united.. I was eleven then, > but I remember my brother going off to the Marines and the blue star that we > hung proudly in our window..I remember collecting fat and grease in cans, > hunting for metal and iron scraps and saving all tin cans to donate for the > war..I especially remember the huge *Victory Garden* where we planted all > sorts of vegetables..Donating to the Red Cross, the USO and the air mail > letters from my brother in the Pacific theater which were few and far > between but when they came, the mailman brought them directly to the house > instead of putting them in the mailbox…Everyone was closely bonded…Those > were scary times and we were close to our radio for news from the war > front..Later, I had two of my brothers-in-law(one in the Army in the Pacific > Theater and one in the Army Air Force in England) to add to my prayer list. > I remember my brother coming home wounded and hospitalized at Bethesda, only > to recover and volunteer to go back to the Pacific..which he did..Thankfully > he returned but the horrible war memories left a toll on him..It was not > until during the last years of his life and right after my father died, that > we sat together that he broke down~~the sorrow of that day brought back more > sorrowful memories for him and they all poured out.. I will never forget .. > Part of me will always be in GB and part of me lives here, my adopted > country. I am proud to be part of these two great countries. > This is as it should be, Sunny..your heart in two places.. I too, share your > pride of this wonderful country and feel fortunate to have been born > here..Thank you for sharing.. > May God Bless America and all the heroic men and women in our armed forces! > –Jean
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> I was only about 1 when the war ended, but I, too, remember collecting the > fat and grease and bringing to the store. As a chemical engineer I guess I > should know what they did with it, but I don’t.
Robert, I really don’t remember myself ~something to do with ammunition and explosives ..I didn’t give it a thought at that age. >I also vaguely remember some > ration cards. Didn’t mean much to me as I’m sure my parents made sure I was > well fed.
I can remember that sugar, coffee and butter were rationed ~ meat too.. I think that was when oleo came into our lives. It came white with a powder coloring packet to make it yellow. I remember my sisters using leg make up because nylon stockings were unavailable. >Could some of this taken place after the war? >At age one, I don’t believe that I really would have remembered all of
that. Possibly these shortages remained for some years as I would not think that you would remember at age one~but who knows? They must have because I remember years later, I too, used leg makeup…maybe it was a fad by then. >We were in Hartford, CT. My father was > a Lt. in the Navy on a ship somewhere in the Pacific. Both my Uncles were > in the service. > Its what everyone did then. Everyone came home safely in our family.
Thank God, many did not… We were fortunate in that way too. –Jean
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I was born in February, 1941 in a small town north of Calgary Alberta. I was the eighth of what would eventually be a family of twelve kids. We moved sometime in the next year to a 20 acre hobby farm several miles west of Calgary. I believe I had several uncles who were in the war in Europe and, I believe through the power of prayer, they all survived and returned home. We did have a member of our small church who died in the war. They called him "Big John". We also had rations, but due to the size of our family, and the availability of hand-me-downs, and a half acre garden, cows, pigs and chickens we never used many of the ration coupons. I believe Dad traded coupons with church friends. that way we got more opportunity to buy the things we couldn’t produce ourselves. That is assuming we had money to do so, which was seldom. We always had unused coupons left, and I remember us little kids lining uo orange crates on the living room floor and pretending that the coupons were tickets for riding in the "train". I also remember cutting new cardboard insoles (from Dreft and Oxydol boxes) for the shoes that had been worn through by several older brothers. I remember the first pair of new shoes I owned, I bought myself from money I made delivering flyers for my 8th grade teacher’s husband who owned a furrier business. Tobie>>>>on an Island in the Pacific
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Living in GB during those years and GB being an island all our food was brought in by the wonderful brave Merchant Marines. Some ships got through, others didn’t. Everything was rationed. Everything. We did a lot of queueing up. One could stand in line forever to purchase an orange and if the air raid sirens went off everyone, from seller to purchaser took to the shelters. When the all clear sounded we exited from those shelters hoping that the stalls were not destroyed and then getting back in the queue in the order we were in before we fled for our lives. But the buzz bombs were the worst. There was no warning when they flew overhead. When the drone stopped we knew that bomb was coming down indiscrimately, Generation S’nd I XXX. . .
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Thank you Sunny. Yes, we do have much to be thankful for. ~Dory~
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Sunny… You remind me of my Mother. …She was born in Birmingham GB, a few years before yourself. … Spent her youth (1940s) working in the army war offices in London and Brighton. …My Dad, a Canadian sailor, was stationed on the LCI 298 ferrying Canadian troops during the Juneau landings. …His ship had the majority of the newscrew on board, thus one of the most famous pictures from that era which shows the LCI 299 landing in Normandy was taken from his ship. ..It was a scary time for both of them. …In fact my Dad (who passed away 5 years ago), wouldn’t even talk about that particular time. ….I’ve heard many a war story from both of them. Things were tough back then… Even for years after the war. …I guess that is why I get so worked up when I see the rights and freedoms that these people fought and died for, being gradually stripped away. Don’t get me wrong. …It sure is great to live in Canada, the US or GB, as compared to just about every other place, but we are definitely not free. Geez… I bet everything I am typing here is being stored on a file of me, some place. …Jon
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get lost! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sunny… You remind me of my Mother. > You have my complete and utter sympathy. > Can we return to cruising talk now?
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Thanks Jon occured 60 years ago. Header reads OT. S’nd I XXX
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Jon I also worked for the Govt during the last year of the war. In Whitehall at the Ministry of Works. down to the building often. Downing Street was opposite the office S’nd I XXX
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>Sunset… You remind me of my Mother..
Mine too!! She’s dead in the head too!!!
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> Jon I also worked for the Govt during the last year of the war. In > Whitehall at the Ministry of Works. > come down to the building often. Downing Street was opposite the > office
Sunny, you have led an interesting life, you should write a book. Becca <—–would enjoy reading it! Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/
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Dear Sunny, Thank you for sharing your memories of a turning point during WW2. I was a teen ager here in America at that time. my family had relatives who were over there participating and I had an Uncle in New York who worked for one of the international newsagencies. He called us to let us know the invasion had started and we also celebrated in a quiet way. There are not so many of us who remember those trying times. I’m glad you are one of them. ~~DORIS~~
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>> come down to the building often. Downing Street was opposite the > office >Sunset, you have led an interesting life, you should write a book. >Becca <—–would enjoy reading it!
Maybe a detective story. She’s real good with that kind of work. Signed, Warren Davisl
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As we approach the 60th Anniversary of D-Day I would like to share that day with this ng. I am sure there are many vets here but my observations are from a civilian. I was 17 1/2 at the time living in the heart of London. On that fateful day we were sitting in the kitchen when we heard the noise of planes overhead. We knew it was not the enemy as the air raid siren had not been sounded and we knew the sound of enemy aircraft. As we sat there the noise became louder. We looked outside and saw the sky was filling up with American bombers making their way in the direction of the coast. We did not know exactly what was happening but somehow surmised it was not a "dry" run. Hundreds of British citizens took to the streets waving sheets, towels anything we could grab. We stood in the streets waving and cheering. Whether we were seen or heard I dont know. These young men were on a mission of life and death. They were the vanguard flying to Normandy to cover for the ground troops. We are of the Jewish faith and every Jewish holiday one or two G.I’s were invited through the USO to join us as did our Catholic, Protestant neighbours. We didnt have much to eat in those days but these young men would always bring something to the table. Butter. cigarettes, chocolate etc. One of these brave young men that we had had in our home did not return from this mission. Part of me will always be in GB and part of me lives here, my adopted country. I am proud to be part of these two great countries. S’nd I XXX
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> As we approach the 60th Anniversary of D-Day I would like to share that > day with this ng. I am sure there are many vets here but my > observations are from a civilian.
Thank you, Sunny, for your poignant memories~~They remind me of the time when everyone in our respective countries was doing all that they could on the home front and our country was so solidly united.. I was eleven then, but I remember my brother going off to the Marines and the blue star that we hung proudly in our window..I remember collecting fat and grease in cans, hunting for metal and iron scraps and saving all tin cans to donate for the war..I especially remember the huge *Victory Garden* where we planted all sorts of vegetables..Donating to the Red Cross, the USO and the air mail letters from my brother in the Pacific theater which were few and far between but when they came, the mailman brought them directly to the house instead of putting them in the mailbox…Everyone was closely bonded…Those were scary times and we were close to our radio for news from the war front..Later, I had two of my brothers-in-law(one in the Army in the Pacific Theater and one in the Army Air Force in England) to add to my prayer list. I remember my brother coming home wounded and hospitalized at Bethesda, only to recover and volunteer to go back to the Pacific..which he did..Thankfully he returned but the horrible war memories left a toll on him..It was not until during the last years of his life and right after my father died, that we sat together that he broke down~~the sorrow of that day brought back more sorrowful memories for him and they all poured out.. I will never forget .. > Part of me will always be in GB and part of me lives here, my adopted > country. I am proud to be part of these two great countries.
This is as it should be, Sunny..your heart in two places.. I too, share your pride of this wonderful country and feel fortunate to have been born here..Thank you for sharing.. May God Bless America and all the heroic men and women in our armed forces! –Jean
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Thanks, Sunny. We have a lot to be thankful for.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As we approach the 60th Anniversary of D-Day I would like to share that > day with this ng. I am sure there are many vets here but my > observations are from a civilian. > I was 17 1/2 at the time living in the heart of London. On that fateful > day we were sitting in the kitchen when we heard the noise of planes > overhead. > We knew it was not the enemy as the air raid siren had not been sounded > and we knew the sound of enemy aircraft. > As we sat there the noise became louder. > We looked outside and saw the sky was filling up with American bombers > making their way in the direction of the coast. > We did not know exactly what was happening but somehow surmised it was > not a "dry" run. > Hundreds of British citizens took to the streets waving sheets, towels > anything we could grab. We stood in the streets waving and cheering. > Whether we were seen or heard I dont know. These young men were on a > mission of life and death. > They were the vanguard flying to Normandy to cover for the ground > troops. > We are of the Jewish faith and every Jewish holiday one or two G.I’s > were invited through the USO to join us as did our Catholic, Protestant > neighbours. > We didnt have much to eat in those days but these young men would always > bring something to the table. Butter. cigarettes, chocolate etc. > One of these brave young men that we had had in our home did not return > from this mission. > Part of me will always be in GB and part of me lives here, my adopted > country. I am proud to be part of these two great countries. > S’nd I > XXX
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> As we approach the 60th Anniversary of D-Day I would like to share that > day with this ng. I am sure there are many vets here but my > observations are from a civilian.
Nice to see this event through your memories, Sunny. Howie
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I was only about 1 when the war ended, but I, too, remember collecting the fat and grease and bringing to the store. As a chemical engineer I guess I should know what they did with it, but I don’t. I also vaguely remember some ration cards. Didn’t mean much to me as I’m sure my parents made sure I was well fed. Could some of this taken place after the war? At age one, I don’t believe that I really would have remembered all of that. We were in Hartford, CT. My father was a Lt. in the Navy on a ship somewhere in the Pacific. Both my Uncles were in the service. Its what everyone did then. Everyone came home safely in our family. Robert
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As we approach the 60th Anniversary of D-Day I would like to share that > day with this ng. I am sure there are many vets here but my > observations are from a civilian. > Thank you, Sunny, for your poignant memories~~They remind me of the time > when everyone in our respective countries was doing all that they could on > the home front and our country was so solidly united.. I was eleven then, > but I remember my brother going off to the Marines and the blue star that we > hung proudly in our window..I remember collecting fat and grease in cans, > hunting for metal and iron scraps and saving all tin cans to donate for the > war..I especially remember the huge *Victory Garden* where we planted all > sorts of vegetables..Donating to the Red Cross, the USO and the air mail > letters from my brother in the Pacific theater which were few and far > between but when they came, the mailman brought them directly to the house > instead of putting them in the mailbox…Everyone was closely bonded…Those > were scary times and we were close to our radio for news from the war > front..Later, I had two of my brothers-in-law(one in the Army in the Pacific > Theater and one in the Army Air Force in England) to add to my prayer list. > I remember my brother coming home wounded and hospitalized at Bethesda, only > to recover and volunteer to go back to the Pacific..which he did..Thankfully > he returned but the horrible war memories left a toll on him..It was not > until during the last years of his life and right after my father died, that > we sat together that he broke down~~the sorrow of that day brought back more > sorrowful memories for him and they all poured out.. I will never forget .. > Part of me will always be in GB and part of me lives here, my adopted > country. I am proud to be part of these two great countries. > This is as it should be, Sunny..your heart in two places.. I too, share your > pride of this wonderful country and feel fortunate to have been born > here..Thank you for sharing.. > May God Bless America and all the heroic men and women in our armed forces! > –Jean
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> I was only about 1 when the war ended, but I, too, remember collecting the > fat and grease and bringing to the store. As a chemical engineer I guess I > should know what they did with it, but I don’t.
Robert, I really don’t remember myself ~something to do with ammunition and explosives ..I didn’t give it a thought at that age. >I also vaguely remember some > ration cards. Didn’t mean much to me as I’m sure my parents made sure I was > well fed.
I can remember that sugar, coffee and butter were rationed ~ meat too.. I think that was when oleo came into our lives. It came white with a powder coloring packet to make it yellow. I remember my sisters using leg make up because nylon stockings were unavailable. >Could some of this taken place after the war? >At age one, I don’t believe that I really would have remembered all of
that. Possibly these shortages remained for some years as I would not think that you would remember at age one~but who knows? They must have because I remember years later, I too, used leg makeup…maybe it was a fad by then. >We were in Hartford, CT. My father was > a Lt. in the Navy on a ship somewhere in the Pacific. Both my Uncles were > in the service. > Its what everyone did then. Everyone came home safely in our family.
Thank God, many did not… We were fortunate in that way too. –Jean
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I was born in February, 1941 in a small town north of Calgary Alberta. I was the eighth of what would eventually be a family of twelve kids. We moved sometime in the next year to a 20 acre hobby farm several miles west of Calgary. I believe I had several uncles who were in the war in Europe and, I believe through the power of prayer, they all survived and returned home. We did have a member of our small church who died in the war. They called him "Big John". We also had rations, but due to the size of our family, and the availability of hand-me-downs, and a half acre garden, cows, pigs and chickens we never used many of the ration coupons. I believe Dad traded coupons with church friends. that way we got more opportunity to buy the things we couldn’t produce ourselves. That is assuming we had money to do so, which was seldom. We always had unused coupons left, and I remember us little kids lining uo orange crates on the living room floor and pretending that the coupons were tickets for riding in the "train". I also remember cutting new cardboard insoles (from Dreft and Oxydol boxes) for the shoes that had been worn through by several older brothers. I remember the first pair of new shoes I owned, I bought myself from money I made delivering flyers for my 8th grade teacher’s husband who owned a furrier business. Tobie>>>>on an Island in the Pacific
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Living in GB during those years and GB being an island all our food was brought in by the wonderful brave Merchant Marines. Some ships got through, others didn’t. Everything was rationed. Everything. We did a lot of queueing up. One could stand in line forever to purchase an orange and if the air raid sirens went off everyone, from seller to purchaser took to the shelters. When the all clear sounded we exited from those shelters hoping that the stalls were not destroyed and then getting back in the queue in the order we were in before we fled for our lives. But the buzz bombs were the worst. There was no warning when they flew overhead. When the drone stopped we knew that bomb was coming down indiscrimately, Generation S’nd I XXX. . .
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Thank you Sunny. Yes, we do have much to be thankful for. ~Dory~
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Sunny… You remind me of my Mother. …She was born in Birmingham GB, a few years before yourself. … Spent her youth (1940s) working in the army war offices in London and Brighton. …My Dad, a Canadian sailor, was stationed on the LCI 298 ferrying Canadian troops during the Juneau landings. …His ship had the majority of the newscrew on board, thus one of the most famous pictures from that era which shows the LCI 299 landing in Normandy was taken from his ship. ..It was a scary time for both of them. …In fact my Dad (who passed away 5 years ago), wouldn’t even talk about that particular time. ….I’ve heard many a war story from both of them. Things were tough back then… Even for years after the war. …I guess that is why I get so worked up when I see the rights and freedoms that these people fought and died for, being gradually stripped away. Don’t get me wrong. …It sure is great to live in Canada, the US or GB, as compared to just about every other place, but we are definitely not free. Geez… I bet everything I am typing here is being stored on a file of me, some place. …Jon
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get lost! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sunny… You remind me of my Mother. > You have my complete and utter sympathy. > Can we return to cruising talk now?
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Thanks Jon occured 60 years ago. Header reads OT. S’nd I XXX
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Jon I also worked for the Govt during the last year of the war. In Whitehall at the Ministry of Works. down to the building often. Downing Street was opposite the office S’nd I XXX
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>Sunset… You remind me of my Mother..
Mine too!! She’s dead in the head too!!!
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> Jon I also worked for the Govt during the last year of the war. In > Whitehall at the Ministry of Works. > come down to the building often. Downing Street was opposite the > office
Sunny, you have led an interesting life, you should write a book. Becca <—–would enjoy reading it! Sleazy3 http://www.cruisemaster.com/sleazy3.htm MOAGC http://www.motherofallgroupcruises.com/
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Dear Sunny, Thank you for sharing your memories of a turning point during WW2. I was a teen ager here in America at that time. my family had relatives who were over there participating and I had an Uncle in New York who worked for one of the international newsagencies. He called us to let us know the invasion had started and we also celebrated in a quiet way. There are not so many of us who remember those trying times. I’m glad you are one of them. ~~DORIS~~
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>> come down to the building often. Downing Street was opposite the > office >Sunset, you have led an interesting life, you should write a book. >Becca <—–would enjoy reading it!
Maybe a detective story. She’s real good with that kind of work. Signed, Warren Davisl
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Iraq Arms Report Poses Political Test for Bush By DAVID E. SANGER (New York Times) The preliminary report delivered on Thursday by the chief arms inspector in Iraq forces the Bush administration to come face to face with this reality: that Saddam Hussein’s armory appears to have been stuffed with precursors, potential weapons and bluffs, but that nothing found so far backs up administration claims that Mr. Hussein posed an imminent threat to the world.
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Hey, Time, was it the botulism BACTERIA that they found in Iraq, or the toxin? Bush said they’d found "live strains" of the bacteria, which is a common and generally harmless organism that happens to create miniscule amounts of lethal toxin. If they found the toxin, well, score one small point for the Bushies. If they found the bacteria… Well, anyone with a trowel and a vegetable garden in their back yard can find that, right? Why’d Kay need to go all the way to Iraq? Just wondering. On topic, did I sell a Mesa 1×12 a few year ago to you via eBay? If so, is it holding up well? Good to see you still posting.
> Iraq Arms Report Poses Political Test for Bush > By DAVID E. SANGER > (New York Times) > The preliminary report delivered on Thursday by the chief arms inspector in > Iraq forces the Bush administration to come face to face with this reality: > that Saddam Hussein’s armory appears to have been stuffed with precursors, > potential weapons and bluffs, but that nothing found so far backs up > administration claims that Mr. Hussein posed an imminent threat to the
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Yes…..for a while there….the U.S. was providing this stuff. I say that, Saddam would have used weapons of mass destruction on neighbouring nations if he had them. In 30 or 50 years….the U.S. will be enemies with Israel or England or Canada or Mexico. Saddam will be in his late 90’s and governor of Californica. What goes around comes around. I’m quite sure that somewhere in the U.S., some scientists have some test tubes full of lethal chemicals in their little basement workshops. It’s human nature to have stuff at home that should stay on the jobsite.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, Time, was it the botulism BACTERIA that they found in Iraq, or the > toxin? Bush said they’d found "live strains" of the bacteria, which is a > common and generally harmless organism that happens to create miniscule > amounts of lethal toxin. If they found the toxin, well, score one small > point for the Bushies. If they found the bacteria… Well, anyone with a > trowel and a vegetable garden in their back yard can find that, right? Why’d > Kay need to go all the way to Iraq? Just wondering. > On topic, did I sell a Mesa 1×12 a few year ago to you via eBay? If so, is > it holding up well? Good to see you still posting. > Iraq Arms Report Poses Political Test for Bush > By DAVID E. SANGER > (New York Times) > The preliminary report delivered on Thursday by the chief arms inspector > in > Iraq forces the Bush administration to come face to face with this > reality: > that Saddam Hussein’s armory appears to have been stuffed with precursors, > potential weapons and bluffs, but that nothing found so far backs up > administration claims that Mr. Hussein posed an imminent threat to the > world.
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>Iraq Arms Report Poses Political Test for Bush >By DAVID E. SANGER >(New York Times) >The preliminary report delivered on Thursday by the chief arms inspector in >Iraq forces the Bush administration to come face to face with this reality: >that Saddam Hussein’s armory appears to have been stuffed with precursors, >potential weapons and bluffs, but that nothing found so far backs up >administration claims that Mr. Hussein posed an imminent threat to the world.
Good. We got there in time. Ron
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >spewed forth: >>Iraq Arms Report Poses Political Test for Bush >>By DAVID E. SANGER >>(New York Times) >>The preliminary report delivered on Thursday by the chief arms inspector in >>Iraq forces the Bush administration to come face to face with this reality: >>that Saddam Hussein’s armory appears to have been stuffed with precursors, >>potential weapons and bluffs, but that nothing found so far backs up >>administration claims that Mr. Hussein posed an imminent threat to the world. >Good. We got there in time. >Ron >The US position on this is so full of shit Uncle Sam’s eyes are brown.
My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will to rule by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now. No shit. Ron
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>My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will to rule >by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now.
And how many Ameicans have died?
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>My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will to rule >by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now. > And how many Ameicans have died?
None.
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>> >My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will torule > >by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now. > And how many Ameicans have died? >None.
Make sure you forward that to the familes of all the men that have died in Iraq.
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> >> >My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will torule >> >by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now. >> And how many Ameicans have died? >None. > Make sure you forward that to the familes of all the men that have died in > Iraq.
Make sure you learn how to spell "Americans" or proof-read your posts. Brushing up on reading comprehension wouldn’t hurt either, apparently.
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>> >> >My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will torule > >> >by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now. > >> And how many Ameicans have died? > >None. > Make sure you forward that to the familes of all the men that have died in > Iraq. >Make sure you learn how to spell "Americans" or proof-read your posts.
I’ll run a spell checker if you forward your dismissal of those that have died in combat.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >> >My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will >> >> >torule >> >> >by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now. >> >> And how many Ameicans have died? >> >None. >> Make sure you forward that to the familes of all the men that have died in >> Iraq. >Make sure you learn how to spell "Americans" or proof-read your posts. > I’ll run a spell checker if you forward your dismissal of those that have > died > in combat.
Not the point, but you know that. Read above: you (mis)typed "Ameicans", and the witty reply was "none".
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>>My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will to rule >by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now. >And how many Ameicans have died?
Fewer than if we had kept him around. Ron
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>> >My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will torule >> >by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now. >> And how many Ameicans have died? >None. > Make sure you forward that to the familes of all the men that have died in > Iraq.
Sure. What’s the zip code for Ameica?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >> >My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will > >> >> >to rule > >> >> >by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now. > >> >> And how many Ameicans have died? > >> >None. > >> Make sure you forward that to the familes of all the men that have died in > >> Iraq. > >Make sure you learn how to spell "Americans" or proof-read your posts. > I’ll run a spell checker if you forward your dismissal of those that have > died > in combat. >Not the point
Totally the point.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >> >> >My position on this is that the dangerous thing was Saddam’s will >> >> >> >to rule >> >> >> >by terror and intimidation and he’s gone now. >> >> >> And how many Ameicans have died? >> >> >None. >> >> Make sure you forward that to the familes of all the men that have died > in >> >> Iraq. >> >Make sure you learn how to spell "Americans" or proof-read your posts. >> I’ll run a spell checker if you forward your dismissal of those that have >> died >> in combat. >Not the point > Totally.
Thanks for agreeing
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>Thanks
You’re welcome
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>> You’re thinking of a carrot, right? >If not, you’re among the 2% of the population >whose minds are different enough >to think something else. 98% of people will >answer with carrot when given this >exercise. Freaky, huh? Keep this message going.
No, I thought of lettuce. Oh no.. will the Mind Police getme now??? *runs away screaming*
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Damn! Now I’m worried; I thought potato… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I got cucumber too. Say six fast a lot, you get to be saying sex. Then you > think of a phallic vegetable. Carrot being the most common. > :> To our culture (European, inclucding lands such as north america and oz) > :> carrot is the concumate vegetable. > :> > :> I’m sure my cousins in India might say a different veg (cauliflower maybe), > :> as might my reletives in Malaysia. I’ll check….. > :> > :> Just me theory….. Try sending to to some one and change the numbers so > :> that they equaal, say 9, I reckon it’ll come out the same…. > :> > :> Nez. > :> > :> (Speaking Balls as usual) > : I agree. Though, I got cucumber. Of course that’t the last thing I > : picked out of my garden, and as a rabbit owner, I deal with a much > : wider variety of vegi’s than your average bear…. > : — > : /" ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H > : / | http://www.toddh.net/ > : X Promoting good netiquette |
http://triplethreatband.com/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> : / http://www.toddh.net/netiquette/ | "4 lines suffice." > — — > Holding a titular Archbishopric since 1999.
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made this strange noise: > Tomato is a fruit.
Not according to my Random House College Dictionary! Ha! -Zev http://www.wayeri.com
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Guess I’m weird or something. I was thinking squash! Don’t say it – I know – I’m a sick puppy! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >HOLY CRAP! This thing worked! >easy. carrots are the vegetable of the devil. >> So, i wonder where the association lies between 6 an carrot… Should it >> simply be the number of caracters? >> Philippe >> >>MIND TRICK? (Or not) >> >> Have you ever wondered if your mind is normal or different? >> >>Well,do this little mind exercise and find out at the end! Free will >> >>or synaptic wiring? You be the judge. Check out the following >> >>exercise, guaranteed to raise an eyebrow. There’s no trick or surprise. >> >>Just follow these instructions, and now, scroll down (but not >> >> What is: >> >> 1+5 >> >> 2+4 >> >> 3+3 >> >> 4+2 >> >> 5+1 >> >>Now repeat saying the number 6 to yourself as >> >>fast as you can for 15 seconds. >> >> Then scroll down. >> >> QUICK! THINK OF A VEGETABLE! Then arrow down. >> >> Keep going. >> >> You’re thinking of a carrot, right? >> >>If not, you’re among the 2% of the population >> >>whose minds are different enough >> >>to think something else. 98% of people will >> >>answer with carrot when given this >> >>exercise. Freaky, huh? Keep this message going. >> >>Forward it to people you know and see if they can >> >>see if they are all normal or not. >> >>-
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I got cucumber too. Say six fast a lot, you get to be saying sex. Then you think of a phallic vegetable. Carrot being the most common.
:> To our culture (European, inclucding lands such as north america and oz) :> carrot is the concumate vegetable. :> :> I’m sure my cousins in India might say a different veg (cauliflower maybe), :> as might my reletives in Malaysia. I’ll check….. :> :> Just me theory….. Try sending to to some one and change the numbers so :> that they equaal, say 9, I reckon it’ll come out the same…. :> :> Nez. :> :> (Speaking Balls as usual) : I agree. Though, I got cucumber. Of course that’t the last thing I : picked out of my garden, and as a rabbit owner, I deal with a much : wider variety of vegi’s than your average bear…. : — : /" ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Todd H : / | http://www.toddh.net/ : X Promoting good netiquette | http://triplethreatband.com/ : / http://www.toddh.net/netiquette/ | "4 lines suffice." — Holding a titular Archbishopric since 1999.
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strange noise: > I agree. Though, I got cucumber. Of course that’t the last thing I > picked out of my garden, and as a rabbit owner, I deal with a much > wider variety of vegi’s than your average bear…. > I also panicked and went for "Cucumber". > I don’t even like ‘em.
First veggie that popped into my mind was "tomatao." I don’t like my choice either. -Zev http://www.wayeri.com
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Tomato is a fruit. — O< "Pthbt!" (( )) <( ) Z | |_ Steve
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > strange noise: >> I agree. Though, I got cucumber. Of course that’t the last thing I >> picked out of my garden, and as a rabbit owner, I deal with a much >> wider variety of vegi’s than your average bear…. > I also panicked and went for "Cucumber". > I don’t even like ‘em. > First veggie that popped into my mind was "tomatao." > I don’t like my choice either. > -Zev > http://www.wayeri.com
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Maybe cucumbers are a bassist thing? cb
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> Maybe cucumbers are a bassist thing?
Now _that’s_ funny. Glenn D.
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Hello bassguys The same trick works with colours. Like 99% would say "red" when asked to name a colour after being treated with a little maths or something to divert their attention.Spooky… Cheers John Eriksen
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According to Derek Smalls, it would be zuccini. -Ryan
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>I agree. Though, I got cucumber. Of course that’t the last thing I >picked out of my garden, and as a rabbit owner, I deal with a much >wider variety of vegi’s than your average bear….
I also panicked and went for "Cucumber". I don’t even like ‘em.
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>> I agree. Though, I got cucumber. Of course that’t the last thing I > picked out of my garden, and as a rabbit owner, I deal with a much > wider variety of vegi’s than your average bear…. > I also panicked and went for "Cucumber". > I don’t even like ‘em.
Freaky, I did cucumber too… in danish: Agurk… — S
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I’m gonna throw it all in the back yard! I love gardening, but we’re on a rocky hilltop, and I don’t want to rototill the lawn. We learned the *very* hard way, when laying pavers for the hottub, that it is FULL of rocks. I also have a bad back, so have a hard time weeding. My new addiction: http://www.squarefootgardening.com/ I also got 3 new raspberry bushes today, have a new volunteer cherry tree bearing fruit, and am going to plant grape vines along our fence. I’ll send pix for the indulgences page when I get it all going – and you’re all invited for a glass of wine when the grapes have been stomped! Willene
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wtg Willene, wishing you all the best on your venture and lookin forward to tasting that wine…lol Dave One week, six days, 13 hours, 0 minutes and 24 seconds. 338 cigarettes not smoked, saving
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> > Everyone here is saying carpenter bees but all I see are > big fat bumblebees and after a recount I see five holes > in good 4 year-old pressure-treated 2×6’s and 2×10’s that > have been out of direct weather. The hole is always on > the bottom.
Bumblebees nest IN the ground in colonies, never in wood. Carpenter bees make individual nests in wood. Pressure treatment has no effect on them because they do NOT actually digest the wood as other insects such as termites do. They just bore out the wood to make a nest. You are correct, the entry hole will often be toward on the bottom. Diazinon (if you can still find it) or baygon can be used to control them and provide a residual effect. Be sure to spray in the evening after the bees have returned and saturate the whole area. Sevin or boric acid dust applied in the holes will kill the bees, but others may reuse the holes after it wears off. If you do-it-yourself, read the label and follow it to the letter. These bees WILL sting and can be very aggressive defending their nest, so protect yourself. If this sort of thing bothers you, you should have the insects controlled by a professional. They can apply very effective materials that you can’t use, and they know how to protect themselves.
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Those flying around the yare are likely males – and have no stinger. The female hangs around in the hole – and does have a stinger…. but… they are not hornets and didn’t come after me when I dusted them from the 30′ up a ladder. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > 
When I noticed the first hole last Fall I presumed it had been > created > > by some strange wasp or bee but now there are a dozen holes and I > > never see anything but big fat bumblebees going in and out of all of > > them. Five holes are in four year old pressure treated lumber. > > > > They are Carpenter bees…close to the same size and not > > as much yellow. Treat the holes at night with anything > > you have at hand. Patch the holes and paint the surface > > to reduce them returning next year. > They look just like fat bumblebees to me, but you are right, they do > not have a lot of yellow on them. Would an aerosol insecticide be > effective? I plan to squirt silicone caulking in all the holes. > Spraying them while they’re flying around does nothing but spread poison all > over your yard. They rarely attack people. If you see two of them flying > together, they’re a mating pair, and they can get a Dirty Harry attitude > occasionally. The others may buzz you to take a look, but based on my > experience with them (my office park’s loaded), they don’t attack, or even > alight on people. > Deal with them in their holes, where you can be more precise.
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> When I noticed the first hole last Fall I presumed it had been created > by some strange wasp or bee but now there are a dozen holes and I > never see anything but big fat bumblebees going in and out of all of > them. Five holes are in four year old pressure treated lumber. > > They are Carpenter bees…close to the same size and not > as much yellow. Treat the holes at night with anything > you have at hand. Patch the holes and paint the surface > to reduce them returning next year. > They look just like fat bumblebees to me, but you are right, they do > not have a lot of yellow on them. Would an aerosol insecticide be > effective? I plan to squirt silicone caulking in all the holes.
Spraying them while they’re flying around does nothing but spread poison all over your yard. They rarely attack people. If you see two of them flying together, they’re a mating pair, and they can get a Dirty Harry attitude occasionally. The others may buzz you to take a look, but based on my experience with them (my office park’s loaded), they don’t attack, or even alight on people. Deal with them in their holes, where you can be more precise.
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> In article > Everyone here is saying carpenter bees but all I see are big fat > bumblebees and after a recount I see five holes in good 4 year-old > pressure-treated 2×6’s and 2×10’s that have been out of direct > weather. The hole is always on the bottom. > > I would guess the holes look like a perfect 3/8 to 1/2 > inch drilled hole. This site may be helpful. > http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2074.html > —
Is *is* pretty amazing how perfect the holes are.
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In article They look just like fat bumblebees to me, but you are right, they do not have a lot of yellow on them. Would an aerosol insecticide be effective? I plan to squirt silicone caulking in all the holes. If you use that, do it at night when mama bee is home. Just a short blast will do it. Supposedly if you place a cotton ball with finger nail polish remover on it after you treat for mama, the fumes will get to the developing larvae. But I can’t think of any carp bee work that I have ever done where I had returned to a home that I had treated by just spraying, having to deal with the next generation. — Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!
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> When I noticed the first hole last Fall I presumed it had been created > by some strange wasp or bee but now there are a dozen holes and I > never see anything but big fat bumblebees going in and out of all of > them. Five holes are in four year old pressure treated lumber. > > They are Carpenter bees…close to the same size and not > as much yellow. Treat the holes at night with anything > you have at hand. Patch the holes and paint the surface > to reduce them returning next year.
They look just like fat bumblebees to me, but you are right, they do not have a lot of yellow on them. Would an aerosol insecticide be effective? I plan to squirt silicone caulking in all the holes.
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In article <5591d176.0306191353.1c1a5c27 When I noticed the first hole last Fall I presumed it had been created by some strange wasp or bee but now there are a dozen holes and I never see anything but big fat bumblebees going in and out of all of them. Two holes are in four year old pressure treated lumber. They are Carpenter bees…close to the same size and not as much yellow. Treat the holes at night with anything you have at hand. Patch the holes and paint the surface to reduce them returning next year. — Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!
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> I forgot you said Bumblees those big ones. Yea they are a pain in the > ass kill em, but do they destroy good wood?
Everyone here is saying carpenter bees but all I see are big fat bumblebees and after a recount I see five holes in good 4 year-old pressure-treated 2×6’s and 2×10’s that have been out of direct weather. The hole is always on the bottom.
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In article Everyone here is saying carpenter bees but all I see are big fat bumblebees and after a recount I see five holes in good 4 year-old pressure-treated 2×6’s and 2×10’s that have been out of direct weather. The hole is always on the bottom. I would guess the holes look like a perfect 3/8 to 1/2 inch drilled hole. This site may be helpful. http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2074.html — Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. Lar. (to e-mail, get rid of the BUGS!!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > We have bumble bees galore this year for some reason… they’re > > drilling holes in my cedar ciding and porch trim so bad they’re > > leaving sawdust on my petunias! > I just discovered this yesterday. Bumblebees are destroying my shed > from the inside out. They drill a inconspicuous 3/8" hole and then eat > the insides out of the lumber! I even noticed a hole in pressure > treated lumber! These things could be a serious threat to outdoor > decks if they can destroy pressure-treated lumber! > Bumblebees? I didn’t know they did this. Are you sure they’re not > carpenter bees?
When I noticed the first hole last Fall I presumed it had been created by some strange wasp or bee but now there are a dozen holes and I never see anything but big fat bumblebees going in and out of all of them. Two holes are in four year old pressure treated lumber.
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Kinky Dinky Dinky do, what did I do to you, I think your meds are wearing off, and its time to go back to the zoo. They let you in, they let you out ,but your pass is only good for a day . They know when you ve returned, you are happy because you have had your way . Around and around you crawl in your room, waiting for tomorrow to slam the chat room. You have no friends, you have no life, but you must show you are right, because everybody is stupid, and Kinky Dinky Do is right. we love you kinky
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> We have bumble bees galore this year for some reason… they’re drilling > holes in my cedar ciding and porch trim so bad they’re leaving sawdust on > my petunias! > I just discovered this yesterday. Bumblebees are destroying my shed > from the inside out. They drill a inconspicuous 3/8" hole and then eat > the insides out of the lumber! I even noticed a hole in pressure > treated lumber! These things could be a serious threat to outdoor > decks if they can destroy pressure-treated lumber!
This is turtle. Around here when the carptender Bees take over we get some stuff call T-N-T Durban and spray all the wood down with it. and put a moth ball in every hole that has been bored already. Their gone. This maybe over kill but it works. Now do this during the midday and they will be out of the hole to put the moth balls in there. They will just push the ball out if they are in there. They can’t get the moth ball out if you have it in there and they try to get it out from them being on the outside. This is the old way but there might be better ways. TURTLE
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According to my reading they are unlikely to want to nest in painted wood. I used Sevin dust on mine – then patched the holes a few days later with wood putty. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I forgot you said Bumblees those big ones. Yea they are a pain in the > ass kill em ,but do they destroy good wood?
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> We have bumble bees galore this year for some reason… they’re drilling > holes in my cedar ciding and porch trim so bad they’re leaving sawdust on > my petunias! >I just discovered this yesterday. Bumblebees are destroying my shed >from the inside out. They drill a inconspicuous 3/8" hole and then eat >the insides out of the lumber! I even noticed a hole in pressure >treated lumber! These things could be a serious threat to outdoor >decks if they can destroy pressure-treated lumber!
We had the same problem here in hawaii. Our house was treated for termites. When the termite tenting was removed, we found more than 30 dead carpenter bees who had drilled into the redwood flashing. It was a surprise! aloha, Thunder http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff!
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mark Ransley spewed: > For KY sex jelly I use a meat baister and squirt it in the hole at night . > I beleive you could use a sprayer and mix it in . I spray my bitch with their premix > garden hose product also. he loves it and so will you!!
Typical WEB-TV user. Sittin in front of the tv, jackin off his boi friend and giving sex advice in a home repair usenet group. Incredulous..
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I forgot you said Bumblees those big ones. Yea they are a pain in the ass kill em ,but do they destroy good wood?
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Carpenter bees, son. Not bumble bees.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We have bumble bees galore this year for some reason… they’re drilling > holes in my cedar ciding and porch trim so bad they’re leaving sawdust on > my petunias! > I just discovered this yesterday. Bumblebees are destroying my shed > from the inside out. They drill a inconspicuous 3/8" hole and then eat > the insides out of the lumber! I even noticed a hole in pressure > treated lumber! These things could be a serious threat to outdoor > decks if they can destroy pressure-treated lumber!
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> We have bumble bees galore this year for some reason… they’re drilling > holes in my cedar ciding and porch trim so bad they’re leaving sawdust on > my petunias! > I just discovered this yesterday. Bumblebees are destroying my shed > from the inside out. They drill a inconspicuous 3/8" hole and then eat > the insides out of the lumber! I even noticed a hole in pressure > treated lumber! These things could be a serious threat to outdoor > decks if they can destroy pressure-treated lumber!
Bumblebees? I didn’t know they did this. Are you sure they’re not carpenter bees?
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Ortho savin sevin a powder for dusting vegetables is highly toxic to bees and wasps and fish. On ground wasps I pour It on the nest. In house or structure I use a meat baister and squirt it in the hole at night . I beleive you could use a sprayer and mix it in . I spray my birch and willow trees once a year with their premix garden hose product and it also keeps Japanese beetles away. They wont eat treated wood its poison. I am not sure they eat wood .Maybe they remove rott or you see their waste products . Remember bees and wasps are similar bees color is not quite as bold. wasps, are good to an extent they eat bugs that eat your garden but also your food they are carnivores. bees polinate . and dont bother you. I do not beleive they destroy structures only clean them out.
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> We have bumble bees galore this year for some reason… they’re drilling > holes in my cedar ciding and porch trim so bad they’re leaving sawdust on > my petunias!
I just discovered this yesterday. Bumblebees are destroying my shed from the inside out. They drill a inconspicuous 3/8" hole and then eat the insides out of the lumber! I even noticed a hole in pressure treated lumber! These things could be a serious threat to outdoor decks if they can destroy pressure-treated lumber!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have a swimming pool that’s never used and is in need of some repair. My >sons are suggesting that I not waste any more money on it and fill it in. >I’ve never filled in a pool before but like the idea. >One of my sons has a friend who can supply the tools req’d ( bobcat, dump >truck etc.) and the fill. >Has anyone on this ng ever done this project? >I’m primarily concerned about the fill settling after a year or so and am >also worried that the hole left from the pool will not drain properly >leading to an elevated water table and the resulting problems that would >follow. >The pool is 16 X 32 w/ a vinyl liner and cement walk around. >I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache >than I already have w/ it. >Any suggestions? >tia >Peter H
Peter and all the rest of those who responded to this post…I am just curious, please don’t take this wrong because I am interested in finding out at what age I may decide I don’t like swimming pools and all the associated maintenance that goes with keeping them up! Are most of you who are filling in pools 40ish, 50ish, 60ish, 70ish, 80ish or more? If I can get a feel for how old people are when they start dreading taking care of their pool I will know when to start urging the wife to let’s sell the house and move to something easier to maintain! So, if you don’t mind, just fill in here ( ) with your approximate age and respond to my quick poll! Regards, Bill
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HI I came in late to this thread but have a question. I am associated with a local residential 1/2 way house. We just purchased a house with a gunite (shotcreate) pool. We must fill in the pool to get a safety certification. Should we require the pool be broken up prior to filling? Some contractors want to just fill and tamp. We are concerned with the fill area always being wet if rain water can’t get though the old pool. thanks
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jane – > May I ask what you paid for this? id like to fill in my pool, and its not > a job I can tackle myself. > Cost was around 2 thousand, if I remember correctly. I called a local fill > dirt company when I was trying to get an estimate of the cost. They > recommended a guy with the equipment needed and I hired him to do the work. > Took 1 day. > Jane
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In my case the pool was built in the 50’s (Ester Williams style) with concrete block sides and sand bottom. The block was deteriorating and tree roots had not only wrapped around the structure, they were invading the sand bottom. None of the 4 pool companies, including the initial installed wanted to touch it, so it had to go. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I recognize that it is personal preference but I just can’t shake the > feeling that this was a waste.
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I understand better now Jane. There was structural concerns, it wasn’t just the lame it cost money to maintain a pool cop out.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In my case the pool was built in the 50’s (Ester Williams style) with > concrete block sides and sand bottom. The block was deteriorating and tree > roots had not only wrapped around the structure, they were invading the sand > bottom. > None of the 4 pool companies, including the initial installed wanted to > touch it, so it had to go. > I recognize that it is personal preference but I just can’t shake the > feeling that this was a waste.
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> I recognize that it is personal preference but I just can’t shake the > feeling that this was a waste.
When you think about it running a pump and filter system and dumping chemicals into a pool all summer long just to keep a big a swimming pool going for the season is an incredible waste. It depends on your perspective. Peter H
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Jane – thanks for the reply! Thats about what I expected it to run – I think Ill start making some calls this week. =Scott L. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jane – > May I ask what you paid for this? id like to fill in my pool, and its > not a job I can tackle myself. > Cost was around 2 thousand, if I remember correctly. I called a local > fill dirt company when I was trying to get an estimate of the cost. They > recommended a guy with the equipment needed and I hired him to do the > work. Took 1 day. > Jane
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Jane – May I ask what you paid for this? id like to fill in my pool, and its not a job I can tackle myself. Thanks! =Scott L. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I filled in my pool about 6 years ago as the block on the pool sides was > in bad shape and no pool company wanted to tackle it (had 4 look at it). > I hired a guy who pushed everything in the hole and filled with dirt to > level it off. Never been happier. I let it sit for a couple of years to > be sure it was settled, no problems there. Two years ago I built a good > size deck over some of the area and put in a vegetable and flower garden. > The only problem I encountered was uncovering some sizable chunks of the > concrete walk that had surrounded the pool when digging my footers for the > deck. > This year we are building an addition over some of the former pool area > and don’t know yet what will be involved when they dig the foundation. > May need a jack hammer to break up the chunks. > Jane
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Suppose you pick a spot in your front yard, and dig a hole. A big one. And after a while, you put the dirt back in, tamping it well, and then sprinkle grass seed, and straw. Ya, know, that’s exactly what a landscaper, a public utility, and any number of other excavators do every day. See many "quicksand" situations in your area? Find some really crappy soil. Some clay being removed from a basement excavation, that sort of thing. As it goes in, the person on the front end loader/whatever will know what to do. If you really think there’s likely to be a problem later on, cover an open or perforated 4" pipe with small gravel at the bottom of the excavation, connect by way of more pipe so that it can be a pump pipe connection if ever needed. Not likely to be needed. But you’d feel better by having it available.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> A pool can be such a pain. And a liability to property > sale in most areas. > I’ve filled one, and I didn’t have the advantage of the > equipment you have available. > But I did it slowly, and let water stand in it when it rained. > That took care of settling problems. > I know someone that used a child’s wading pool to mix dirt > with water, made a thick mud, then put that into the hole to > dry in the sun. No need for tamping there. > And I’m not sure what you’re saying about an elevated water > table. If the dirt replaces the dirt that was removed to put the > pool in, what has changed that would cause a problem? With > good landscaping, it can be as though it was never there. > My concern w/ the watertable is that if there is nowhere for the water to > drain from the cavity where the pool was that eventually it will fill up w/ > water creating a " quicksand " type of environment. I’ve noticed that some > years I’m adding water to the pool all the time while other years there is > enough rainfall to keep it topped up, even w/ backwashing. It’s those rainy > years that I’m worried about. It seems to me that if the water can’t drain > and I fill the cavity up then I would have a worse problem on my hands. How > do you add drainage to it at that point? > Peter H
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> Jane – > May I ask what you paid for this? id like to fill in my pool, and its not > a job I can tackle myself.
Cost was around 2 thousand, if I remember correctly. I called a local fill dirt company when I was trying to get an estimate of the cost. They recommended a guy with the equipment needed and I hired him to do the work. Took 1 day. Jane
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I recognize that it is personal preference but I just can’t shake the feeling that this was a waste.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jane – > May I ask what you paid for this? id like to fill in my pool, and its not > a job I can tackle myself. > Cost was around 2 thousand, if I remember correctly. I called a local fill > dirt company when I was trying to get an estimate of the cost. They > recommended a guy with the equipment needed and I hired him to do the work. > Took 1 day. > Jane
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I guess what you don’t mention is what is at the bottom of the pool? You could jackhammer holes on the bottom of the pool so the water would drain once you had some hole you could rent a post hole digger to drill some holes on the bottom and put in perforated plastic pipe with a silt sleeve and you should be all set compact the soil as it is put in. and the top foot or so should be good soil so you can get grass to grow on it. No matter what you do it will settle so wait a year before you do your final work! If you rent a decent size backhoe you might be able to collapse the side walls also. Wayne
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a swimming pool that’s never used and is in need of some repair. My > sons are suggesting that I not waste any more money on it and fill it in. > I’ve never filled in a pool before but like the idea. > One of my sons has a friend who can supply the tools req’d ( bobcat, dump > truck etc.) and the fill. > Has anyone on this ng ever done this project? > I’m primarily concerned about the fill settling after a year or so and am > also worried that the hole left from the pool will not drain properly > leading to an elevated water table and the resulting problems that would > follow. > The pool is 16 X 32 w/ a vinyl liner and cement walk around. > I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache > than I already have w/ it. > Any suggestions? > tia > Peter H > My cousin just bulldozed into his a couple of years ago with no > problems. If it settles too much you always just spread a yard or so > over it and re-seed.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have a swimming pool that’s never used and is in need of some repair. My > sons are suggesting that I not waste any more money on it and fill it in. > I’ve never filled in a pool before but like the idea. > One of my sons has a friend who can supply the tools req’d ( bobcat, dump > truck etc.) and the fill. > Has anyone on this ng ever done this project? > I’m primarily concerned about the fill settling after a year or so and am > also worried that the hole left from the pool will not drain properly > leading to an elevated water table and the resulting problems that would > follow. > The pool is 16 X 32 w/ a vinyl liner and cement walk around. > I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache > than I already have w/ it. > Any suggestions? > tia > Peter H
My cousin just bulldozed into his a couple of years ago with no problems. If it settles too much you always just spread a yard or so over it and re-seed.
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> A pool can be such a pain. And a liability to property > sale in most areas. > I’ve filled one, and I didn’t have the advantage of the > equipment you have available. > But I did it slowly, and let water stand in it when it rained. > That took care of settling problems. > I know someone that used a child’s wading pool to mix dirt > with water, made a thick mud, then put that into the hole to > dry in the sun. No need for tamping there. > And I’m not sure what you’re saying about an elevated water > table. If the dirt replaces the dirt that was removed to put the > pool in, what has changed that would cause a problem? With > good landscaping, it can be as though it was never there.
My concern w/ the watertable is that if there is nowhere for the water to drain from the cavity where the pool was that eventually it will fill up w/ water creating a " quicksand " type of environment. I’ve noticed that some years I’m adding water to the pool all the time while other years there is enough rainfall to keep it topped up, even w/ backwashing. It’s those rainy years that I’m worried about. It seems to me that if the water can’t drain and I fill the cavity up then I would have a worse problem on my hands. How do you add drainage to it at that point? Peter H
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A pool can be such a pain. And a liability to property sale in most areas. I’ve filled one, and I didn’t have the advantage of the equipment you have available. But I did it slowly, and let water stand in it when it rained. That took care of settling problems. I know someone that used a child’s wading pool to mix dirt with water, made a thick mud, then put that into the hole to dry in the sun. No need for tamping there. And I’m not sure what you’re saying about an elevated water table. If the dirt replaces the dirt that was removed to put the pool in, what has changed that would cause a problem? With good landscaping, it can be as though it was never there.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have a swimming pool that’s never used and is in need of some repair. My >sons are suggesting that I not waste any more money on it and fill it in. >I’ve never filled in a pool before but like the idea. >One of my sons has a friend who can supply the tools req’d ( bobcat, dump >truck etc.) and the fill. >Has anyone on this ng ever done this project? >I’m primarily concerned about the fill settling after a year or so and am >also worried that the hole left from the pool will not drain properly >leading to an elevated water table and the resulting problems that would >follow. >The pool is 16 X 32 w/ a vinyl liner and cement walk around. >I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache >than I already have w/ it. >Any suggestions? >tia >Peter H > It’s getting kind of hot these days Peter! Why not just keep your > pool? Do you and your sons like to swim? You can find a brand new pool > liner on the Internet for less than $600. I have seen one man replace > a pool liner in less than four hours by himself! It’s really not that > hard to get your pool back in shape to enjoy this summer. > Regards, > Bill
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have a swimming pool that’s never used and is in need of some repair. My >sons are suggesting that I not waste any more money on it and fill it in. >I’ve never filled in a pool before but like the idea. >One of my sons has a friend who can supply the tools req’d ( bobcat, dump >truck etc.) and the fill. >Has anyone on this ng ever done this project? >I’m primarily concerned about the fill settling after a year or so and am >also worried that the hole left from the pool will not drain properly >leading to an elevated water table and the resulting problems that would >follow. >The pool is 16 X 32 w/ a vinyl liner and cement walk around. >I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache >than I already have w/ it. >Any suggestions? >tia >Peter H > It’s getting kind of hot these days Peter! Why not just keep your > pool? Do you and your sons like to swim? You can find a brand new pool > liner on the Internet for less than $600. I have seen one man replace > a pool liner in less than four hours by himself! It’s really not that > hard to get your pool back in shape to enjoy this summer. > Regards, > Bill
The pool is in working order, but no one in the household swims in it anymore. It’s a nuisance to keep clean and it’s expensive to run the pump and feed it the chemicals. I suppose that I could sell the house and move instead, but I like the house and lot. Peter H
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a swimming pool that’s never used and is in need of some repair. My > sons are suggesting that I not waste any more money on it and fill it in. > I’ve never filled in a pool before but like the idea. > One of my sons has a friend who can supply the tools req’d ( bobcat, dump > truck etc.) and the fill. > Has anyone on this ng ever done this project? > I’m primarily concerned about the fill settling after a year or so and am > also worried that the hole left from the pool will not drain properly > leading to an elevated water table and the resulting problems that would > follow. > The pool is 16 X 32 w/ a vinyl liner and cement walk around. > I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache > than I already have w/ it. > Any suggestions?
Liner means it is probably sand bottom, so drainage afterward should not be an issue. 1. Drain pool 2. Remove all electrics and plumbing (you may get a couple bucks selling those and the diving board and accessories for parts.) Disconnect any buried electric feed lines at breaker in service panel- don’t leave a potentially hot line buried in yard. Stub out any water feeds within heated space to avoid future oopsies in cold weather. 3. Remove liner and landfill or recycle. 4. Bust up/remove coped edge, so you can remove side panels, if metal. Drop concrete debris in hole, trash or scrap metal side panels if metal. 5. Bust up and remove remainder of excess concrete, drop in hole. 6. Fill hole with suitable dirt/pea gravel (to fill in between debris chunks) and topsoil, and landscape to suit. I’ve seen a couple amusing filled in pools around town here. One is just a concrete ring in the middle of a yard, with the stubs of the diving board brackets. The other had been made into a garden area, but the surrounding patio and pool house were still in place. aem sends….
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>The pool is 16 X 32 w/ a vinyl liner and cement walk around. >I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache >than I already have w/ it.
Cut holes in the liner or remove it to allow proper drainage, break up the concrete and push it into the hole, fill with dirt. After it settles, fill again. Check your local jurisdiction to make sure they don’t have other requirements, depending on groundwater issues, some locales are very finicky when it comes to holes and fill. Jeff
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I filled in my pool about 6 years ago as the block on the pool sides was in bad shape and no pool company wanted to tackle it (had 4 look at it). I hired a guy who pushed everything in the hole and filled with dirt to level it off. Never been happier. I let it sit for a couple of years to be sure it was settled, no problems there. Two years ago I built a good size deck over some of the area and put in a vegetable and flower garden. The only problem I encountered was uncovering some sizable chunks of the concrete walk that had surrounded the pool when digging my footers for the deck. This year we are building an addition over some of the former pool area and don’t know yet what will be involved when they dig the foundation. May need a jack hammer to break up the chunks. Jane
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you could used this chance to lay pipes in there for a ground source heat pump for heating and cooling… much better than air source heat pumps for extremes of temperature… — be safe. flip ^___^ Count to three. Make a wish. Close your eyes. ^.^/ Wait. Scratch that, reverse it. ==u== - apologies to Roald Dahl
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I have a swimming pool that’s never used and is in need of some repair. My sons are suggesting that I not waste any more money on it and fill it in. I’ve never filled in a pool before but like the idea. One of my sons has a friend who can supply the tools req’d ( bobcat, dump truck etc.) and the fill. Has anyone on this ng ever done this project? I’m primarily concerned about the fill settling after a year or so and am also worried that the hole left from the pool will not drain properly leading to an elevated water table and the resulting problems that would follow. The pool is 16 X 32 w/ a vinyl liner and cement walk around. I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache than I already have w/ it. Any suggestions? tia Peter H
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> I have a swimming pool that’s never used and is in need of some repair. My > I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache > than I already have w/ it. > Any suggestions? > tia > Peter H
Most jurisdictions require a permit and a compaction test.
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> you could used this chance to lay pipes in there for a ground source > heat pump for heating and cooling… much better than air source heat > pumps for extremes of temperature… > — > be safe. > flip > ^___^ Count to three. Make a wish. Close your eyes. > ^.^/ Wait. Scratch that, reverse it. > ==u== - apologies to Roald Dahl
Hmmmmm…. Interesting idea Peter H
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a swimming pool that’s never used and is in need of some repair. My > I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache > than I already have w/ it. > Any suggestions? > tia > Peter H > Most jurisdictions require a permit and a compaction test.
I’ve checked with the municipality this morning and the building dept doesn’t care about this. The by-law dept is concerned with what gets tossed in the pool. Apparently the cement from the walk is ok, but everything else must be properly disposed of. With respect to the soil compaction I thought I’d rent a tamper and tamp it down as I went along. Peter H
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<< I’m primarily concerned about the fill settling after a year or so and am also worried that the hole left from the pool will not drain properly >> Recommendation from a pro in our midwest area: get rid of as much of the pool material as posssible. Avoid using dirt fill, instead buy bank run gravel which usually has the larger rocks screened out. Fill to within a couple of feet of the top level, cap with a foot of subsoil and finish with a foot of topsoil. If you compact the gravel during fill, then hardly any settling will occur later. A comment on filling smaller holes like cisterns and excavations left by fuel tank removals was that ordinary sand works the best because it settles so rapidly without help. HTH Joe
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have a swimming pool that’s never used and is in need of some repair. My >sons are suggesting that I not waste any more money on it and fill it in. >I’ve never filled in a pool before but like the idea. >One of my sons has a friend who can supply the tools req’d ( bobcat, dump >truck etc.) and the fill. >Has anyone on this ng ever done this project? >I’m primarily concerned about the fill settling after a year or so and am >also worried that the hole left from the pool will not drain properly >leading to an elevated water table and the resulting problems that would >follow. >The pool is 16 X 32 w/ a vinyl liner and cement walk around. >I’d love to get rid of it, but don’t want to be left w/ a bigger headache >than I already have w/ it. >Any suggestions? >tia >Peter H
It’s getting kind of hot these days Peter! Why not just keep your pool? Do you and your sons like to swim? You can find a brand new pool liner on the Internet for less than $600. I have seen one man replace a pool liner in less than four hours by himself! It’s really not that hard to get your pool back in shape to enjoy this summer. Regards, Bill
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Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. ..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way of life? To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a restaurant. ….Jon
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Just ask they cook them until all the flavor, color, and texture of them is gone and you will get them the way you want them. It’s way easier to get them to cook properly cooked vegetables into mush for those who want it that way, then it is to turn the mush back into beans that taste like beans, so just have them add another 90 minutes to the steaming time.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but > also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to > properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? > Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they > were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. > ..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then > along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can > do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are > given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed > potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel > sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today > think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not > how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way > of life? > To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try > cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better > they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a > decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a > restaurant. ….Jon
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Two ways that you can approach this. One is to wait until the last minute to eat at the Buffet and then scrape the vege’s from the bottom of the steam table tray. Otherwise bring one of those mini rice cookers to dinner each night. Scrape your vegetables off your plate and cook until the alarm goes off. Soon you will get your dinner prepared properly. Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but >also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to >properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? >Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they >were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. >..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then >along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can >do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are >given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed >potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel >sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today >think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not >how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way >of life? >To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try >cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better >they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a >decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a >restaurant. ….Jon
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And you could have them just let you in the garden and you and the rabbits can munch away! <G> Overcooked is bad, but just barely heating vegetables is worse, IMHO. Lloyd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Just ask they cook them until all the flavor, color, and texture of them is > gone and you will get them the way you want them. It’s way easier to get > them to cook properly cooked vegetables into mush for those who want it that > way, then it is to turn the mush back into beans that taste like beans, so > just have them add another 90 minutes to the steaming time. > Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but > also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to > properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? > Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they > were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. > ..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then > along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can > do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are > given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed > potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel > sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today > think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not > how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way > of life? > To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try > cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better > they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a > decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a > restaurant. ….Jon
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I love overcooked veggies. They taste great mooshed in with mashed potatoes S’nd I
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Celebrity Cruises has cooked vegetables well on the various cruises I’ve taken with them.Not too soft – not too crunchy. Sincerely,Cruzmon
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>Two ways that you can approach this. One is to wait until the last minute to eat >at the Buffet and then scrape the vege’s from the bottom of the steam table >tray. Otherwise bring one of those mini rice cookers to dinner each night. >Scrape your vegetables off your plate and cook until the alarm goes off. Soon >you will get your dinner prepared properly.
Haha Cal, you had better watch out or someone will do it. — "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." - Abraham Lincoln
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>Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but >also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to >properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ??
OMG a fellow mushy veggie addict! You will be arrested and sent to McDonalds if the sea salt and bottled water police catch you. I think that not cooking veggies long DOES actually get you more vitamins, especially if you don’t drink the pot likker. I can take some not cooked too much, but green beans and leaft stuff — Iwant it limp! PS I cook collard greens for 6 hours before I eat them! But I do drink the pot likker. — "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." - Abraham Lincoln
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You can’t do asparagus more than about 1 minute. It’s worthless when overcooked IMHO. –Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but >also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to >properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? > OMG a fellow mushy veggie addict! You will be arrested and sent to McDonalds if > the sea salt and bottled water police catch you. > I think that not cooking veggies long DOES actually get you more vitamins, > especially if you don’t drink the pot likker. I can take some not cooked too > much, but green beans and leaft stuff — Iwant it limp! > PS I cook collard greens for 6 hours before I eat them! But I do drink the pot > likker. > — > "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." > - Abraham Lincoln
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Dear Jon, Amen
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Hello….. I recall at one of our dinners on the Sun Princess, we noted the broccoli was uncooked. Our table-mate cut some of his and remarked it’s cooked fine. You see …What has happened is that because all restaurants have for the last twenty plus years undercooked their vegetables, the vast majority (especially of the younger crowd) consider the crunchy texture normal. I wonder if a trend of eating under-cooked potatoes would catch on? …Jon
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Gee… I remember growing up and HATING vegetables! All we had were the mushy canned kind. Then I got married and found frozen ones… much happier… and even later, fresh. Now I love rinsing off a handful of "whatever"… and putting them into the microwave for ONE minute… just enough to warm them… green beans… asparagus… whatever… great! A favorite summer lunch for my children was a big bowl of raw vegetables with a dip made from spinach. Marsha
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but > also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to > properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? > Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they > were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. > ..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then > along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can > do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are > given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed > potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel > sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today > think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not > how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way > of life? > To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try > cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better > they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a > decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a > restaurant. ….Jon
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In the case of boiled vegetables, when ever possible and practical I use the liquid from the vegetable to make the gravy or sauce I am using for the meat. Worst thing you can do is pour that good stuff down the drain. Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but >also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to >properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? >OMG a fellow mushy veggie addict! You will be arrested and sent to McDonalds if >the sea salt and bottled water police catch you. >I think that not cooking veggies long DOES actually get you more vitamins, >especially if you don’t drink the pot likker. I can take some not cooked too >much, but green beans and leaft stuff — Iwant it limp! >PS I cook collard greens for 6 hours before I eat them! But I do drink the pot >likker. >– >"If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me >some coffee." > – Abraham Lincoln
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JON: Amen to that,my husband always complains about the next to raw vegetables,once a women went to spear her brussel sprout,and it flew across the table,on to the floor
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i love asparagus very well cooked
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> Gee… I remember growing up and HATING vegetables! All we had were the > mushy canned kind. > Then I got married and found frozen ones..
Marsha, we must be twins! I also grew up on canned vegetables and discovered frozen after being married a while(grin). sue
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Say it ain’t so. In olden days, the Roman army used to have a saying. When they went into battle, they used to say "let’s have victory in less time than it takes to cook asparagus". I like the ultra skinny ones cooked for about a minute. I don’t like the thick ones at all. –Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > i love asparagus very well cooked
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> > Gee… I remember growing up and HATING vegetables! All we had were the > mushy canned kind. > Then I got married and found frozen ones.. > Marsha, we must be twins! I also grew up on canned vegetables and > discovered frozen after being married a while(grin). > sue
Sue and Marsha, that was all that was really available then. We had a huge vegetable garden when I was growing up and had access to veggies that you eat raw, like carrots, radishes, cucumbers, peas and tomatoes. My Mom canned green beans, sweet corn, tomatoes, beets and pickles! We had a huge potato bin in the cellar. It wasn’t until the frozen veggies came to the stores (after I too, got married,) that I was introduced to broccoli, cauliflower and brussels sprouts and lima beans. To me there is nothing worse than overcooked broccoli~jaundiced, chartreuse and smelly!! ;-o I like it steamed till half tender and half crunchy but a nice deep green color! –Jean
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>Say it ain’t so. >In olden days, the Roman army used to have a saying. When they went >into battle, they used to say "let’s have victory in less time than it >takes to cook asparagus". >I like the ultra skinny ones cooked for about a minute. I don’t like >the thick ones at all.
That’s because you don’t cook them long enough <vbg>. Well, I like the skinny ones undercooked too. — "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." - Abraham Lincoln
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>>>I like the ultra skinny ones cooked for about a minute. I don’t like
the thick ones at all. –Tom Now, on the asparagus we can agree! Eileen ;0 — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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My Mom used to cook the thick ones till they were like mush with strings. That’s why I hated asparagus all my life… until I tasted them "un-mushy". Then I discovered that I liked them. –TOm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Say it ain’t so. >In olden days, the Roman army used to have a saying. When they went >into battle, they used to say "let’s have victory in less time than it >takes to cook asparagus". >I like the ultra skinny ones cooked for about a minute. I don’t like >the thick ones at all. > That’s because you don’t cook them long enough <vbg>. > Well, I like the skinny ones undercooked too. > — > "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." > - Abraham Lincoln
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"I cuss, you cuss, we all cuss for aspsaragus." (taken from a "Farside" cartoon.)
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but > also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to > properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? > Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they > were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. > ..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then > along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can > do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are > given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed > potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel > sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today > think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not > how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way > of life? > To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try > cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better > they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a > decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a > restaurant. ….Jon
I’d much prefer slightly undercooked to slightly overcooked veggies. I like my green veggies to still have their vibrant green color, not that nasty olive-brown color they take on when they’re overcooked. I prefer them to have crunch. Mushy veggies make me gag. Maybe I’m wrong about this, but don’t all the nutrients get washed away, the longer they’re cooked? Lee
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but >also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to >properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? >Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they >were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. >..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then >along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can >do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are >given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed >potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel >sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today >think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not >how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way >of life? >To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try >cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better >they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a >decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a >restaurant. ….Jon > I’d much prefer slightly undercooked to slightly overcooked veggies. I > like my green veggies to still have their vibrant green color, not that > nasty olive-brown color they take on when they’re overcooked. I prefer > them to have crunch. Mushy veggies make me gag. Maybe I’m wrong about > this, but don’t all the nutrients get washed away, the longer they’re > cooked?
Very true, the longer you cook vegatables, the more nutrients you lose. sue
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There seems to be a consensus here that one can either have crunchy vegetables, or else over-cooked, olive colored mush — nothing in between . ….All I’m saying is I prefer to have my vegetables "properly" cooked. IE: so they are neither like salad ingredients, nor peas pudding. If the vegetables are properly cooked, and by that I mean not over-cooked, the flavor is superb. Likewise with meat: Undercooked(rare)–tough and tasteless; Overcooked–dry,tough and tasteless . …This brings to mind another gripe. Why can’t chefs learn to properly fry an egg? Very few individuals like runny white, yet this is the way 99% of the chefs cook them. I learned long ago how to fry an egg so the yolk is soft, and the white is hard. Now, try getting a chef to cook one like this. ….Rest assured….It’ll either be slimy white, or else so rubbery you could use it as a hockey puck. …. …Jon
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Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. ..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way of life? To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a restaurant. ….Jon
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Just ask they cook them until all the flavor, color, and texture of them is gone and you will get them the way you want them. It’s way easier to get them to cook properly cooked vegetables into mush for those who want it that way, then it is to turn the mush back into beans that taste like beans, so just have them add another 90 minutes to the steaming time.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but > also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to > properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? > Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they > were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. > ..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then > along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can > do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are > given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed > potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel > sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today > think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not > how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way > of life? > To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try > cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better > they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a > decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a > restaurant. ….Jon
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Two ways that you can approach this. One is to wait until the last minute to eat at the Buffet and then scrape the vege’s from the bottom of the steam table tray. Otherwise bring one of those mini rice cookers to dinner each night. Scrape your vegetables off your plate and cook until the alarm goes off. Soon you will get your dinner prepared properly. Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but >also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to >properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? >Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they >were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. >..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then >along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can >do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are >given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed >potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel >sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today >think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not >how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way >of life? >To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try >cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better >they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a >decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a >restaurant. ….Jon
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And you could have them just let you in the garden and you and the rabbits can munch away! <G> Overcooked is bad, but just barely heating vegetables is worse, IMHO. Lloyd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Just ask they cook them until all the flavor, color, and texture of them is > gone and you will get them the way you want them. It’s way easier to get > them to cook properly cooked vegetables into mush for those who want it that > way, then it is to turn the mush back into beans that taste like beans, so > just have them add another 90 minutes to the steaming time. > Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but > also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to > properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? > Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they > were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. > ..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then > along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can > do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are > given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed > potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel > sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today > think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not > how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way > of life? > To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try > cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better > they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a > decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a > restaurant. ….Jon
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I love overcooked veggies. They taste great mooshed in with mashed potatoes S’nd I
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Celebrity Cruises has cooked vegetables well on the various cruises I’ve taken with them.Not too soft – not too crunchy. Sincerely,Cruzmon
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>Two ways that you can approach this. One is to wait until the last minute to eat >at the Buffet and then scrape the vege’s from the bottom of the steam table >tray. Otherwise bring one of those mini rice cookers to dinner each night. >Scrape your vegetables off your plate and cook until the alarm goes off. Soon >you will get your dinner prepared properly.
Haha Cal, you had better watch out or someone will do it. — "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." - Abraham Lincoln
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>Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but >also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to >properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ??
OMG a fellow mushy veggie addict! You will be arrested and sent to McDonalds if the sea salt and bottled water police catch you. I think that not cooking veggies long DOES actually get you more vitamins, especially if you don’t drink the pot likker. I can take some not cooked too much, but green beans and leaft stuff — Iwant it limp! PS I cook collard greens for 6 hours before I eat them! But I do drink the pot likker. — "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." - Abraham Lincoln
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You can’t do asparagus more than about 1 minute. It’s worthless when overcooked IMHO. –Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but >also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to >properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? > OMG a fellow mushy veggie addict! You will be arrested and sent to McDonalds if > the sea salt and bottled water police catch you. > I think that not cooking veggies long DOES actually get you more vitamins, > especially if you don’t drink the pot likker. I can take some not cooked too > much, but green beans and leaft stuff — Iwant it limp! > PS I cook collard greens for 6 hours before I eat them! But I do drink the pot > likker. > — > "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." > - Abraham Lincoln
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Dear Jon, Amen
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Hello….. I recall at one of our dinners on the Sun Princess, we noted the broccoli was uncooked. Our table-mate cut some of his and remarked it’s cooked fine. You see …What has happened is that because all restaurants have for the last twenty plus years undercooked their vegetables, the vast majority (especially of the younger crowd) consider the crunchy texture normal. I wonder if a trend of eating under-cooked potatoes would catch on? …Jon
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Gee… I remember growing up and HATING vegetables! All we had were the mushy canned kind. Then I got married and found frozen ones… much happier… and even later, fresh. Now I love rinsing off a handful of "whatever"… and putting them into the microwave for ONE minute… just enough to warm them… green beans… asparagus… whatever… great! A favorite summer lunch for my children was a big bowl of raw vegetables with a dip made from spinach. Marsha
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but > also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to > properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? > Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they > were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. > ..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then > along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can > do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are > given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed > potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel > sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today > think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not > how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way > of life? > To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try > cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better > they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a > decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a > restaurant. ….Jon
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In the case of boiled vegetables, when ever possible and practical I use the liquid from the vegetable to make the gravy or sauce I am using for the meat. Worst thing you can do is pour that good stuff down the drain. Cal Ford Lido Deck Cruises – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but >also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to >properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? >OMG a fellow mushy veggie addict! You will be arrested and sent to McDonalds if >the sea salt and bottled water police catch you. >I think that not cooking veggies long DOES actually get you more vitamins, >especially if you don’t drink the pot likker. I can take some not cooked too >much, but green beans and leaft stuff — Iwant it limp! >PS I cook collard greens for 6 hours before I eat them! But I do drink the pot >likker. >– >"If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me >some coffee." > – Abraham Lincoln
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JON: Amen to that,my husband always complains about the next to raw vegetables,once a women went to spear her brussel sprout,and it flew across the table,on to the floor
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i love asparagus very well cooked
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> Gee… I remember growing up and HATING vegetables! All we had were the > mushy canned kind. > Then I got married and found frozen ones..
Marsha, we must be twins! I also grew up on canned vegetables and discovered frozen after being married a while(grin). sue
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Say it ain’t so. In olden days, the Roman army used to have a saying. When they went into battle, they used to say "let’s have victory in less time than it takes to cook asparagus". I like the ultra skinny ones cooked for about a minute. I don’t like the thick ones at all. –Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > i love asparagus very well cooked
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> > Gee… I remember growing up and HATING vegetables! All we had were the > mushy canned kind. > Then I got married and found frozen ones.. > Marsha, we must be twins! I also grew up on canned vegetables and > discovered frozen after being married a while(grin). > sue
Sue and Marsha, that was all that was really available then. We had a huge vegetable garden when I was growing up and had access to veggies that you eat raw, like carrots, radishes, cucumbers, peas and tomatoes. My Mom canned green beans, sweet corn, tomatoes, beets and pickles! We had a huge potato bin in the cellar. It wasn’t until the frozen veggies came to the stores (after I too, got married,) that I was introduced to broccoli, cauliflower and brussels sprouts and lima beans. To me there is nothing worse than overcooked broccoli~jaundiced, chartreuse and smelly!! ;-o I like it steamed till half tender and half crunchy but a nice deep green color! –Jean
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>Say it ain’t so. >In olden days, the Roman army used to have a saying. When they went >into battle, they used to say "let’s have victory in less time than it >takes to cook asparagus". >I like the ultra skinny ones cooked for about a minute. I don’t like >the thick ones at all.
That’s because you don’t cook them long enough <vbg>. Well, I like the skinny ones undercooked too. — "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." - Abraham Lincoln
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>>>I like the ultra skinny ones cooked for about a minute. I don’t like
the thick ones at all. –Tom Now, on the asparagus we can agree! Eileen ;0 — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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My Mom used to cook the thick ones till they were like mush with strings. That’s why I hated asparagus all my life… until I tasted them "un-mushy". Then I discovered that I liked them. –TOm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Say it ain’t so. >In olden days, the Roman army used to have a saying. When they went >into battle, they used to say "let’s have victory in less time than it >takes to cook asparagus". >I like the ultra skinny ones cooked for about a minute. I don’t like >the thick ones at all. > That’s because you don’t cook them long enough <vbg>. > Well, I like the skinny ones undercooked too. > — > "If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee." > - Abraham Lincoln
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"I cuss, you cuss, we all cuss for aspsaragus." (taken from a "Farside" cartoon.)
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but > also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to > properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? > Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they > were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. > ..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then > along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can > do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are > given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed > potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel > sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today > think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not > how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way > of life? > To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try > cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better > they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a > decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a > restaurant. ….Jon
I’d much prefer slightly undercooked to slightly overcooked veggies. I like my green veggies to still have their vibrant green color, not that nasty olive-brown color they take on when they’re overcooked. I prefer them to have crunch. Mushy veggies make me gag. Maybe I’m wrong about this, but don’t all the nutrients get washed away, the longer they’re cooked? Lee
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello…. My question applies not only to the chefs on cruise ships, but >also to every restaurant that exists today. What the heck happened to >properly cooking your vegetables, when you serve them with a dinner ?? >Twenty years ago, if one had a dinner with green beans or broccoli, they >were soft and tasty — In fact… Every restaurant served them this way. >..The crunchy veg. were left to the salad, where they belong. Then >along came wok cooking, and someone proclaimed: "The worst thing you can >do to vegetables is over cook them." BANG– From then on. ….We are >given a dinner of tender roast beef with soft and creamy mashed >potatoes…..And big, tasteless, crunchy chunks of cauliflower, brussel >sprouts, and carrots. Unfortunately, many younger people of today >think this serving of under-cooked vegetables is the norm, but it is not >how it used to be.. How can one change a trend that has become a way >of life? >To all those who like warmed up raw vegetables with your dinner…. Try >cooking them a little more… You’ll be surprised at how much better >they taste. Perhaps, the old way will then gradually come back, and a >decent meal can be experienced by all, whether on a cruise ship or in a >restaurant. ….Jon > I’d much prefer slightly undercooked to slightly overcooked veggies. I > like my green veggies to still have their vibrant green color, not that > nasty olive-brown color they take on when they’re overcooked. I prefer > them to have crunch. Mushy veggies make me gag. Maybe I’m wrong about > this, but don’t all the nutrients get washed away, the longer they’re > cooked?
Very true, the longer you cook vegatables, the more nutrients you lose. sue
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There seems to be a consensus here that one can either have crunchy vegetables, or else over-cooked, olive colored mush — nothing in between . ….All I’m saying is I prefer to have my vegetables "properly" cooked. IE: so they are neither like salad ingredients, nor peas pudding. If the vegetables are properly cooked, and by that I mean not over-cooked, the flavor is superb. Likewise with meat: Undercooked(rare)–tough and tasteless; Overcooked–dry,tough and tasteless . …This brings to mind another gripe. Why can’t chefs learn to properly fry an egg? Very few individuals like runny white, yet this is the way 99% of the chefs cook them. I learned long ago how to fry an egg so the yolk is soft, and the white is hard. Now, try getting a chef to cook one like this. ….Rest assured….It’ll either be slimy white, or else so rubbery you could use it as a hockey puck. …. …Jon
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> Horse hockey. Just pile up your compostable material and throw in a little > dirt once in awhile. Of course, if you add in fertilizer, you’ll get great > results when you use it in your garden. But you can just put the fertilizer > on your garden. Chicken wire and fancy enclosures are not needed. Don’t > worry about the dimensions, either. Just do it! –Bill
If you’ll check some composting sites, you’ll see that the one cubic yard recommendation is pretty standard to make compost relatively quickly. As is the green/brown ratio, as is keeping it moist. Sure, you can put everything in a heap and someday it’ll be compost, but we’re talking best methods here… KB
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > | Hi > | > | SOrry if this isnt the right forum for this, thought I’d ask anyway > | > | I would like to make a compost tub in my garden, it isn’t a very big garden > | but just got a leaflet through the door from a local council and it spoke > | about home compost tubs. Anyone got any hints how to start one? would it > | be too smelly in such a small garden ( 20ft x 50ft). > | > | Any advice greatly received > | > | Lucy > | > | – > | > | > | Lucy Doris
Make the pile as big as you can accommodate, as bigger compost heaps tend to work better. But I don’t mean it has to be huge. However, a little compost heap or tub produces a VERY small amount of compost. We have two large bins side-by-side I built 20 years ago out of wood posts and chicken wire, and we fill up one and then pitch it into the other to turn it. The more often you turn it the faster it composts, but it’s a lot like work so just let it sit if you get tired. We put in chopped leaves, vegetable and fruit scraps and rinds, twigs, and some lawn clippings. Lawn clippings can smell unless mixed in frequently. Some people think it’s a bad smell. We also add in some shredded newspaper now and then. We generally like our compost "chunky" so we use it sooner rather than later. Never put in meat scraps or grease or bones unless you want critters.
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Hi SOrry if this isnt the right forum for this, thought I’d ask anyway I would like to make a compost tub in my garden, it isn’t a very big garden but just got a leaflet through the door from a local council and it spoke about home compost tubs. Anyone got any hints how to start one? would it be too smelly in such a small garden ( 20ft x 50ft). Any advice greatly received Lucy — Lucy Doris
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A properly constructed compost pile is not smelly. I used to have one – I bought some chicken wire and made a simple round one out of wooden stakes. I had lots of leaves and this was before I got a chopper/grinder. I raked the leaves up in a pile and ran the lawn mower over them. The wire helped keep them together. Then I watered them down and put soil and fertilizer on the top of the pile. Before the end of summer it was ready to use on the garden as a mulch. I never let mine get down to the really small stage. Dorothy
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See rec.gardens To get a compost going you should have at least a cubic yard of green and brown material. You can make a simple 4-foot dia round bin from wire fencing (or chicken wire or hardware cloth), convenient to your garden. Keep it moist and stirred. It won’t stink. >Hi >SOrry if this isnt the right forum for this, thought I’d ask anyway >I would like to make a compost tub in my garden, it isn’t a very big garden >but just got a leaflet through the door from a local council and it spoke >about home compost tubs. Anyone got any hints how to start one? would it >be too smelly in such a small garden ( 20ft x 50ft). >Any advice greatly received >Lucy
– Phish
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I would go to Home Depot to find out, but they close at 7 on Sundays. I am looking for economic shutters, wood, (not vinyl) the kind that goes on the outside of windows, and are permanently attached to the the wall. They don’t open/close. The kind you see everywhere,. Anybody has bought those recently and knows how much they cost a pair? Thanks
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> I would go to Home Depot to find out, but they close at 7 on Sundays. > I am looking for economic shutters, wood, (not vinyl) the kind that goes on > the outside of windows, and are permanently attached to the the wall. They > don’t open/close. The kind you see everywhere,. > Anybody has bought those recently and knows how much they cost a pair?
AFAIK HD doesn’t sell wood shutters. We just purchased vinyl ones there, and they’re between $15 and $30 or so a pair, depending on the size. I think they look nice, but then the "anti-vinyl" squad here will probably tell me I’m insanely stupid. -Tim
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> I would go to Home Depot to find out, but they close at 7 on Sundays.
Speaking of which — why on earth do they close at 7 on Sundays? I’m always up to a project on a Sunday night, and I can’t get used to this. Our HD was open 24/7 for awhile and I got used to going there whenever I felt like it. -Tim
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They close at 8 on Sundays here in SoCal. — iBuyMinis
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I would go to Home Depot to find out, but they close at 7 on Sundays. > Speaking of which — why on earth do they close at 7 on Sundays? I’m always > up to a project on a Sunday night, and I can’t get used to this. Our HD was > open 24/7 for awhile and I got used to going there whenever I felt like it. > -Tim
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-snip- > AFAIK HD doesn’t sell wood shutters. We just purchased vinyl ones > there, and they’re between $15 and $30 or so a pair, depending on > the size. I think they look nice, but then the "anti-vinyl" squad > here will probably tell me I’m insanely stupid.
You’re insanely stupid. :)) (Didn’t want to disappoint you…….) — Cheers, Harvey For e-mail, harvey becomes whhvs.
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>> I would go to Home Depot to find out, but they close at 7 on Sundays. >Speaking of which — why on earth do they close at 7 on Sundays? I’m always >up to a project on a Sunday night, and I can’t get used to this. Our HD was >open 24/7 for awhile and I got used to going there whenever I felt like it. >-Tim
They need some time to work the forklifts when customers are not in the store. Before we had a Home Depot, there were no hardware stores open on Sunday, and 84 Lumber closed for the weekend 4:30 PM on Saturday. Gotta plan carefully for some projects. — Phish
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